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According the NCAA bylaws outlined by Emmert

  • wouldn't Arkansas be subject to NCAA sanctions for the conduct of Bobby Petrino? Apparently issues regarding ethical conduct and the integrity of college sports are now subject to sanctions.

    Chad W

  • Great question.

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  • is there any evidence that the institution knew and covered up for Bobby?

    CoachCharlie

  • I'm sure if they covered it up... then yes... but canning him a few days after he got out of the hospital was quick action.... Penn St never took any action

    festes

  • Did petrino actually break any laws? I don't think he did.

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  • festes said...

    I'm sure if they covered it up... then yes... but canning him a few days after he got out of the hospital was quick action.... Penn St never took any action

    Not to mention his "victim" was a complicit slut and not children.

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    ebo54

  • How about coaches who get DWI's?

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  • Aubrey Bloom said...

    How about coaches who get DWI's?

    They get a motorcycle and a helicopter

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    CoachCharlie

  • I'm satisfied with emmerts explanation for the punishment

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    thaeutychus

  • He did not say that the sanctions were being imposed for criminal misconduct but for ethical misconduct damaging the integrity of college sports. There is no evidence regarding the Petrino incident because there wasn't an extensive investigation like there was in the Penn State case. I find it hard to believe that Petrino did what he did without anyone in the organization knowing about it. Penn St. did fire Joe Paterno when this came out.

    For the record, I don't think they should be sanctioned. I just think that after this, the door is open.

    This post was edited by on 7/23/2012 at 8:53 AM

    Chad W

  • Jeff Long had the scandal investigated

    http://www.examiner.com/article/bobby-petrino-fired-records-reveal-he-gave-mistress-jessica-dorrell-20-000

    CoachCharlie

  • Outlandos said...

    This is a preposterous argument. Sandusky was sentenced to what, 400 years in prison? Petrino's conduct was ethically wrong and potentially illegal depending on the nature of Arkansas state law, but no prosecutor would go after him. Penn State was sanctioned because at the institutional level it covered up very serious crimes over more than a decade.

    This isn't a new precedent. Baylor basketball was sanctioned after it was discovered that the coaching staff covered up for the player on player murder, although arguably not severely enough.

    I'm surprised the Baylor incident hasn't been referenced more in all of this.

    SmilingMallard

  • That's a good question though, what is the "that was too serious, they have to do something" line? Is it a "know it when you see it" type thing?

    If the message is that they're trying to keep football programs from corrupting the academic system, then surely they should also step in with less serious issues right?

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  • The difference, and it's a major one, is that the Baylor incident involved improper benefits to players and a head coach lying to the NCAA. That's a very different situation, and one where the NCAA absolutely had the power, and the responsibility, to move on.

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  • Aubrey Bloom said...

    The difference, and it's a major one, is that the Baylor incident involved improper benefits to players and a head coach lying to the NCAA. That's a very different situation, and one where the NCAA absolutely had the power, and the responsibility, to move on.

    Did the coach trying to cover up the reason for the murder not affect their penalty? (Honest question, I don't remember)

    SmilingMallard

  • SmilingMallard said...

    Did the coach trying to cover up the reason for the murder not affect their penalty? (Honest question, I don't remember)

    Technically I don't believe so. The NCAA penalized them for improper benefits (a crapload of them including paying the tuition for two players), lying about those benefits to the NCAA on multiple occasions, failure to report positive drug tests, etc. All of that lead to a lack of institutional control.

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  • chag11 said...

    wouldn't Arkansas be subject to NCAA sanctions for the conduct of Bobby Petrino? Apparently issues regarding ethical conduct and the integrity of college sports are now subject to sanctions.

    I think the difference is that Arkansas actually policed themselves

    roughrider2011

  • I agree that Arkansas took immediate action. Some might argue that Penn State has already taken actions to correct the institutional problems that led to what occurred.

    The point of my post was not to call for the sanctioning of Arkansas, rather it was supposed to be a "preposterous" claim to provoke some to reconsider the implications of the Emmert's reasoning for imposing sanctions on Penn State. He did not say that there must be a criminal offense AND ethical misconduct to allow the NCAA to sanction. He said that the culture of Penn State allowed "ethical misconduct detrimental to college sports" to occur and the sanctions were designed to be both punitive and enact cultural change at the institution. He did NOT say that the sanctions were being imposed to prevent the future molestation of children in college facilities. My point is that in the future the NCAA could sanction institutions for ethical misconduct and the infraction might not be something that is so universally repulsive as sexually assaulting children.

    Chad W

  • chag11 said...

    wouldn't Arkansas be subject to NCAA sanctions for the conduct of Bobby Petrino? Apparently issues regarding ethical conduct and the integrity of college sports are now subject to sanctions.

    Because Arkansas is a member of the SEC (the greatest conference in America) the are immune to all issues regarding ethical conduct and integrity.

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  • The lesson to learned from all of this is that you take immediate disciplinary action against the individual responsible for the issue.

    The NCAA will then look at the self imposed penalties/sanctions and decide if they were strong enough.

    This happens all of the time in normal everday NCAA violation cases.

    In Petrino's case, they penalized him extemely harshly by firing him as soon as the issue came to light. Penn State did not do that.

    This post was edited by AggieGrad98 on 7/23/2012 at 9:55 AM

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