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“Every Wednesday I’d have the younger guys — the guys who weren’t going to play in the game — scrimmage while the older guys would go ones-vs.-ones on another field,” said Sherman over the telephone last week. “I’d be with the ones and you’d hear all this yelling and screaming over on the other field. It was Johnny making plays.
“Tom Rossley [then the Aggies’ quarterback coach] would come over to me and say, ‘He did it again.’ So it’s not a surprise that he’s having the success he’s having. In high school, he’d put the game on his shoulders — the same stuff he’s doing now.”
This post was edited by bluecouchdude 19 months ago
Great article. I love Sherman. Good man -- met him several times. I'm glad we have Sumlin now, but Sherman got us out of the deep ditch Fran put us in, the cocksucker (Fran, I mean). Sherman stabilized us...and left Sumlin with a solid foundation...a lot better than what he found when he got here.
Very good post. I'm glad we have Sumlin and was ready for Sherman to go, but there are too many people who love to rewrite history and talk about how crappy Sherman was. He did a lot for us
JFF would be playing for the oregon ducks if not for Sherman..............
Thank you coach !!! A MAN WITH CLASS
This post was edited by Turfman 19 months ago
Yes he did +, just had a little too much pro ball in him but he was the perfect bridge to KS.
Not me. Loved Sherman and hated to see him go. Thought very highly of him, and appreciated how he left the program. Fairly stocked cupboard, good relationships with high school coaches, no negative recruiting and instead always staying positive and improving the quality of his student-athletes. A real father figure. All in all, I suppose I'm glad he's happier in the NFL now and we're happier with Sumlin in the drivers seat.
If someone has the whole article from DMN, could you please post it? Thanks!
The Sherman love is weird. We should be thanking Rossley for Manziel. He's the one who kept on Sherman to get him here. I see the posts about he left the roster in good shape. Sure he brought in some guys but don't fail to realize we are having D-Line guys playing virtually all game without being able to come off the field because there is no depth behind them. That's Sherman's fault as much as he gets credit for bringing in Joeckel, Matthews, and Moore.
I think Sherman is a great great man. Pure class all the way around. His letter to high school coaches when he was fired was awesome and shows the kind of character he has. But that doesn't mean we have to overlook the fact he was a really bad college head coach. He didn't get the college game. The revisionist history about him is something else.
This post was edited by 512ag 19 months ago
Sherman was the one who got us started in this direction. None of us were happy with him last year over not being able to close out games. Overall as a program, most of us felt we had started in a new direction. KS came in, gave us a tweak in a different dirrection on minor things and off we went. In years to come, the start of this era will be viewed as starting with Mike Sherman and escalating with Kevin Sherman. Thought I saw him at the Missouri game, sure as heck looked like him.
Very hard for 1 man to take a program that is deep, deep in a ditch like we were (hell, we were persona non grata at many high schools in Texas)...and take us to a championship level. Sherman was a bridge to Sumlin. Fran really f***** us. Sherman left the program in way better shape than he found it. He was not the right man to take us to the very top, though. I hope/pray Sumlin is that guy. Felling good now boys!
Sherman righted the shot and at least got it pointed in the right direction. A LOT of his "Shreaches" became contributors and he got guys in the right position. He just wasn't the guy to take us over the top. Sumlin is that guy. Every coach that's ever been uber-successful in college football inherited a team with talent that was underachieving. Stoops, Meyer, Brown, etc...
you mean the same DL guys that just killed it this year? Thank god they knew tallent when the saw it.... Its not that they didnt try to get guys in but a few from the juco ranks couldnt pull the grades and a few High school guys couldnt make it in..... plus you had a 3-4 deffense (not alot of guys needed) plus not a lot of guys/DLmen wanted to play in the 3-4. Not saying they didnt do a good enough job but thats not all on Sherman...
and i think he understood the college game just fine (see 2010 season)... you replace JFF with Tanni (and all his tip balls) and replace Evens with Fuller (and all his many, many drop balls and pooooor blocking ) and you get the same results as last year no matter who the coach is today.
Oh god chase pointer is back. Wtf. Your last paragraph absolutely blows donkey dick. Same results? Then you throw out one year as evidence that he knew the game. Fran went 9-4 too. 9-4 wasn't overachieving at all, it just happened to be the only time Sherman actually met expectations in 4 years.
The current defensive staff greatly overachieved with what was on hand and were fortunate to not sustain any injuries. Had we had a couple on defense like most teams, we'd have been screwed because of Sherman's lack of recruiting on that side of the ball.
Sherman was mediocre as all get out. Just happened to be better than Fran. I've never in my life seen such a mediocre coach get so much credit. Mediocre coach, solid talent evaluator. Sumlin overachieved with Sherman's guys and now some of you come back in full force giving Sherman the credit for that. There's a lot of coaches, including Sherman himself, who would have probably gone 7-5 or 8-4 with this group.
Brent Z went on a tirade on twitter about this article, said it was BS how much credit they were giving Sherman for JFF when it was all Rossley.
the credit for sherman is for changing the overall direction of a fran-ed up program. He still missed the boat on finishing games, even at 9 - 4 but he changed the attitude and direction.
No doubt, I am happy to give credit where credit is due. Sherm did change the direction of the program for the better, and left some good things behind for Sumlin. But I don't like the vibe that "oh A&M fired Sherman, they're so ungrateful for him delivering them a heisman quarterback." It's ridiculous to think that, there's almost no chance Johnny would have gotten the start over Showers if Sherman was still here, and even if he was, they wouldn't be practicing scramble drills in practice, Johnny might have half his stats. Not to mention our players would be nowhere near as well conditioned, which is an extremely big factor in our success this year.
Johnny would have squandered his talents under Sherman, at best he'd go into a Tannehill role and play receiver (likely at slot). If Sherman was still here, we would be screaming for Johnny to start just like we did for Tannehill over Jerrod, Jerrod over McGee, McGee over McNeal, McNeal over...Farris?
Understood the college game well enough to blow second half leads all the time? Come on man. The Arkansas game showed how stuck in the pro game he was. You can't punt on 4th and short around midfield. The Kansas State game, why were we running plays with Showers in on short yardage? Tannehill was/is bigger, stronger, and faster. Just because OU had ran it down our throat with their back up QB the week before doesn't mean that's what we needed to do.
Like I said, he was a good man. He wasn't a great coaches. He didn't hire great assistants. He was well paid to do a job that he failed at so he was fired. He's back on his feet and doing fine and so are we. That's really all there is to it.
Sherman was the head coach. Yes, Rossley was the guy who "discovered" JFF when all other coaches in Texas were passing him by (except for Greg Davis at UT who also liked JFF). Rossley was able to convince Sherman to take JFF...and unlike Mack Brown who didn't listen to Greg Davis, Sherman listened to his QBs coach... so yeah, Rossley gets a ton of credit for pursuing Johnny and going out on a limb as it were, but Sherman too gets the credit for believing in his coach, and in the player.
it's like when CEO's get the credit for a floundering company getting turned around...they presided over it, even if they didn't pick up a single wrench or turned a single screw.
You really think Sherm would have ever put Johhny on the field at QB? He never would have let him play because he could throw the deep curl route from the opposite hash like Tannehill did and Showers can.
You really think Sherm would have ever put Johhny on the field at QB? He never would have let him play because he cant throw the deep curl route from the opposite hash like Tannehill did and Showers can.
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