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I like how cons listed for Johnny saying he only 3 Tds against ranked opponents and yet kleins pros showed ypg against teams ranked at time of game. Last time I checked jff had a pretty good game against ranked la tech and miss st. He'll Arkansas might have been ranked.
They justify Klein being in race for a good game against wv yet discount johhny for sec record yardage against ranked la tech. Double standard
This post was edited by bako_ag 19 months ago
Espn knows who's going to win. They're trying to make it interesting
I just need to stop watching or reading people talking about the Heisman. I know I am biased but what the hell? How is Manziel not the leader of the others, leading a preseason 6-6 projected team to a 10 win season. And he actually led them. IMO, we would not have won at least the La Tech, Ole Miss, Bama games without him based on his 4th quarter plays made. He inspired this team after being announced the starter 2 weeks before the season, and won their respect on the field with his effort and heart and determination. He has dominated the stats this year, and has sat out a total of 2 games after being blowouts. He has destroyed Tebow and Newton's stats in less games and will likely pass RGIII after the bowl game, who led his team to three losses. The fact that people keep saying they can't overlook his bad games against LSU or Florida are looking for excuses. Florida was his first game ever, LSU, he had more yards by himself that 7 other teams they faced. Yeah you can't overlook his turnovers, but you can't overlook his total yards either. You also can't overlook Klein's pedestrian numbers most of this year (3,093 total yards) compared to Johnny's. Johnny got over 1500 more yards, thats 50% of Klein's total yards. You also can't overlook Manziel's equal amount of touchdowns as Teo's solo tackles in the last two games. I just don't get it. I'll get off my soapbox, I know I am preaching to the choir.
Has the svp interview been on yet?
it was just on espn2. It was good Johnny handles interviews really well.
They admitted that Vegas has JFF as a runaway fav...Just Like wigeon said they have to make it interesting.
" Manziel is “a good kid, an honest kid. He has his heart in the right place.”
Chancellor, Texas A&M
Liked the feature on Manziel but the commentary afterward was clearly designed to add doubt/controversy to who should win. At least at one point they admitted that it is not that JFF shouldn't get the vote but that their is not a clear runaway winner. Don't know that I agree, but shows they are just trying to generate excitement and dialogue on the topic.
Oh and the Klein and Teo "Pros" vs. "Cons" was silly vs. what they did on JFF's
1- unless Klein goes off today, its Johnny's to lose.
2- We went 3-2 against ranked opponents and Johnny averaged 380 yrds & 2 tds per game in those.
"Failure is my greatest fear. Yours is probably heights or spiders or some silly shit."
Agree. JFF did a helluva job for any age much less a 19 year old. Great spokesman for Aggieland.
Can you give a quick summary brother?
SEC SEC SEC!!!
In regards to RG3 numbers, JFF has more yds through 12 games than RG3 which is when the Heisman is awarded. The same holds true for Sam Bradford compared to JFF. Those guys didn't put up JFF numbers playing in the big 12.
Exactly what I noticed. Totally bias bs
Interview was with Scott Van Pelt at Kyle Field. Manziel just showed a lot of poise and maturity with how he handled the questions and showed a true likability factor. Of anyone who has been in front of a camera it is not easy yet this kid seems like he was built for the big time both on and off the field. Was already proud of this guys on the accomplishments but am similarly impressed with how comfortable he is in the off the field limelight. Bring home the Heisman JFF and then follow it up with a Nat'l Championship!
I thought the Van Pelt interview was very good, and Johnny came off well in it. The annoying part was the talk afterwards - they made his 15 touchdowns when up by 21 a con. So the fact that Johnny can lead his team down the field and score at will, and the defense played great, makes the touchdowns less meaningful? Then, Herbstreit saying that this year there is no runaway candidate for Heisman??? Really, the only reason they have a shot to say that is because Johnny is a freshman.
What else would he have had to do for this to be called a runaway?
And teo only had two cons and not one was that his stats are peasant level except INT's.
This post was edited by ChallengerAg 19 months ago
100+ tackles isn't "peasant level" though is it?
I agree with Wigeon; this is all a desperate attempt to try and build some drama (and drum up interest from sponsors and possible viewers) into what is a foregone conclusion... The Heisman is Johnny's!
"Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine." - Henry David Thoreau
I just watched a CBS Sports video online and 2 of the 4 picked Manziel as the winner.
What was shocking though were the reasons against him from the other guys. Archie Manning- "Manziel is incredible, but he's got three more years. I've got Colin Klein." Some other guy that I don't know- "Manti Te'o because he's extraordinary on the field and off."
If this was anyone, but a Freshman this wouldn't even be an argument. I can't stand this old school crap. I hope he wins it as much to break the "freshmen can't win it," bs. Archie is a jack ass.
Archie is just afraid that someone is going to match his two Heisman record.
Bottom line is that if him being a Freshman or that he has more chances to win it prevent voters from choosing JFF than the award should not be open to Freshmen. But it is...so vote for the best player in the country THIS year. On Gameday they actually said ND would lose 3-4 games without Teo. Any guesses what we would have lost w/out JFF? Jesse Palmer though on a separate telecast flat out said Teo should not win period. Couldn't agree with you more Jesse (except maybe when you busted out the down Horns on live TV!).
This post was edited by brantpb 19 months ago
Put johnny's stats and record on an upperclassman and it's a runaway landslide. If he doesn't win it they should just change it to most outstanding upperclassman.
Btw, does Archie Griffen get two votes for his two heismans?
Klein's QB rating at the half against tu:
“Honestly [tu's offer] doesn’t really matter though because I won’t go there. I won’t even visit." “I want to play big time ball in the SEC"
remember that WE ARE THE GUARDIANS OF TRADITION. Despite being the single most outstanding player on a stand alone basis, Johnny is a football freshman and the Heisman has a huge " tradation" standard. If he looses, "tradition" will be the only logical reason.
Archie Manning didn't win two. Archie Griffin did. Anyone who votes for "off the field" issues doesn't deserve to vote. The Heisman is for the best player on the field, not for issues that happen off of the field.
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