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I think so. C. Kelly got it right. Rossley got it right. Parade Magazine got it Right. NHSCA got it right.
Is this Drew Brees thing where you look at the measurables and disregard the performance?
Epic fail by Recruiting Services and Coaching Staffs.
Its not like he came from outerspace, he was a known commodity.
Do you think this will change the way that evaluations are done?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by redleg82 20 months ago
I think he's a once a generation talent.
Several teams will try to find the "next Manziel", but I think they'll likely fail.
If you watch his high school film, it will mystify you why he wasn't more highly recruited. I just didn't understand.
Win we shall, yes we can, yes we will.
Kenny Hillziel and Kyler Murrayziel both disagree.
(yes I realize Murrayziel is awful)
If you agree with the Brees analogy I can roll with the once in generation thing. I think JFF could be considered 2nd generation to Drew.
Thankfully, he was able to get an offer in Texas and not go on to fame and fortune in Oregon. What a disaster for teh State that would have been.
While I think they'll be great, I think they'll be great in different ways than Maziel.
Who is the last guy you have seen with Maziel's escapability, quickness, and speed.
He's basically a slower Mike Vick. His creativity accounts for the speed falloff. And he is a better passer at this juncture than Vick was.
Not sure what you think of their talent evaluations, but Tarp and jmlittle on AY both love Hill and Murray. Both think Murray is as good a runner and better passer than Manziel at the same stage.
I honestly can't compare Johnny to anyone I've ever seen before. I don't think there are any guys I have seen that have his skill sets. He drives defenses bat sh1t crazy with his movement.
I love them both.
I think Hill is the poster child for this system. Murray, is the best passer of the three IMO.
I think Johnny is the best runner by far. Murray and Hill are both good but Johnny is elite IMO. He has elite quickness and very good acceleration. People always talk about how they underestimate his speed. That's because he hits his top gear very quickly. His lateral quickness is also outstanding. This is one of the reasons he's so slippery.
Manziel is an elite athlete and a lot of the media still doesn't quite grasp that concept. It is evident from some of the comments I have heard from the media. Unfortunately, they don't think of him that way because of his skin tone.
There were a lot of people on this site after every game thru the first third on season that wanted Showers and even Ollie North until the Alabama win. I bet he goes thru the same thing as he goes pro. Too short, can't do that in the NFL, Etc.
I sure hope so, but Manziel is special. He is doing as a freshman what RG3 learned to do as a Sr. He is so special. Exciting years to come Ags.
The star system sucks. I'm basically an amateur evaluator and looked at Manziel's Junior film and could tell he was a 5 star take even if he ended up a WR or DB. He obviously had unreal athletic ability. Quite frankly, he had one of the best films we have ever seen of any Texas athlete... ever. So yes, worse evaluation ever.
But generally, you cannot believe any stars. Mike Evans was also a 3 Star and barring a mental breakdown, will be a Top 10 NFL Draft pick. He is a RS Freshman and severely underestimated. Good speed and an incredible leaper with great hands, great physical build, and a nose for the ball. He should have been a 5 Star as well, but no one evaluated him correctly.
Then you have guys like Connor Wood as a 5 Star. He was a decent QB at a small private school with decent measurables. He should have been a 3 Star.
I'm sure many of you could go on and on.
This post was edited by bluecouchdude 20 months ago
There are a number of reasons, but there's a few things we all thought back then.
For one, he needed a coach that was going to let him be himself and not try to force him into a system, and that's hard to put into recruiting rankings. You can't rate players based on how well they fit into specific systems, you're rating them based on their pro potential. Can you see Manziel trying to hit receivers out of 7 step drops out of a pro set right now? It's hard to imagine. Not that he couldn't do it eventually, but he certainly wouldn't be great at it right now.
The other thing is that Manziel came out of a region of Texas where he hardly ever played quality competion. Even the good teams they played (Lake Travis) weren't what you would consider overly athletic teams. There were a few games like Steele or Madison, but it's hard to judge a player based off a few games.
But the biggest thing about Manziel is that what makes him so unique is hard to see unless you see him in person. Yes he's fast and he accelerates quickly, but it's his vision that makes him lethal. I don't know that I've ever seen a player who has a better feel for where everyone else is on the field. He knows where receivers are even while he's running across the field, he knows where defenders are when they're behind him, it's truly amazing the way he can manipulate people around him. That's something you just don't see that often.
Just a few random thoughts. Of course I always thought he would be awesome.
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He's like the Pete "Pistol" Maravich of football.
Coach Sherman got it right on JFF, Evans, O-line and many more............
Shut up Sherm lover... get off his junk and get on the Cobra Train
From IH-35 to IH-10... what then?
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Does anybody else think this? Not saying I don't. I'm just curious.
Aaron Rodgers. Unrecruited out of high school. Went JUCO for two years. Tedford sees him play while visiting and focusing on another player. Leads Cal to two 10 win seasons. Nearly beats USC in the Coliseum during the Leinert era. Slides in the NFL draft only to become NFL & Super Bowl MVP.
Lets try this another way. Because I am seeing some inconsistencies. Why Swoopes and not Johnny? Small School-Smaller School. Both run and chuck types? Its not like Johnny was 2A.
Top 10 is a little generous for a 4.6 guy
Well, for one Swoopes is gigantic by comparison and he looks the part so he has more of the "measurables" that you look for early on. I also don't remember Manziel being at many of the camps like Swoopes (probably because of baseball.) Could have had something to do with it.
You guys should remember that that Manziel was a 4 star on 247Sports by the end of his senior year. His junior year he didn't throw the ball nearly as much as he did his senior year and nobody was really sure if he could even do it. So it's not like he was a complete unknown player coming out.
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