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Johnny tried to do too much all game
We have 11 turnovers in the last 3 games we continue that and Bama will win by 30
We played great d until the Hill TD but you can't turn the ball over like that and expect to win
That's what made me cringe. Short yardage situation, and we go with no RB.
We will never be able to run block in that OL 2 point stance...Can't fire out and get underneath the D's pads....we are not letting our OLine do what they do best...they have the talnt but are not being put in the position to use it...
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I will agree with this point we are relying on a QB to get it when we have 3 solid RB
Here's the real deal. We aren't a great passing team. We get passing yards but we aren't a great passing team.
3rd and 16 is almost impossible for us to get unless we hail mary or johnny runs it.
LSU's defense is too fast. They shut down Johnny's legs to be nothing more than 2-3 yard carriers. They made him a pocket passer and that's not his game. Once he was a pocket passer, we killed ourselves.
I agree we needed to run the ball more but LSU was shutting down a lot of it.
Truth be told, we played exacdtly how we should have. in order to win we had to capitalize on some big plays. Trey Williams gets a kickoff return and I was saying score score score. Because i knew it was going to be hard. We missed 2 fg's, and a extra point. Costly
Malena's fumble was by far the worst turnover. Just horrible.
Mike Evans dropping the ball and popping it in the air and being picked was horrendous since we were in fg range at that moment and he had daylight.
Finally, JOhnny's across the body throw that got picked was just an example of Johnny throwing off his back foot and not getting the mustard on the throw.
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Paul regarding your take are we playing to our strength or playing to a misguided coaching scheme...Got to say we sure looked like cougar high out there today.
LSU did not shut down our RB's, they shut down JFF!
Our RB's had a 5.3 ypc average in the second half, the problem was we only gave it to them 8 freaking times!
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Except that opponents' learning curve against this gimmicky O is not as steep anymore. Florida needed a half. LSU only needed two series to figure it out and after the first quarter, LSU figured out Coach Sunglasses.
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it's easy to see that when KK sees a couple of 1 yard gains/no gains he goes all out pass and rarely looks back to the run
our entire offensive identity this year has been Johnny's legs. It causes big plays. that's what has won us our games.
Many of us have been bishing that we are having trouble running the ball (I think I figured out why our off line isn't blocking well).
So we don't run well consisently and Johnny's legs are big plays. LSU shot down the big plays from his legs. there is only so many rec screens and rb screens you can call before you have to make some nuts throws.
We do'nt throw it well deep. LSU has lots of receivers that can get deep but they missed on 4-5 that would have put more points on the board. We were fortunate. We played the odds.
Kings didn't call a great game but when LSU neuters your qb's running ability and you could tell Johnny's shoulder was bothering him, then they made him a drop back passer which isn't his strength. His running sets up his passing other than the called slants and comebacks that are predicated off of other plays.
I mean, we didn't score another point the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. We scored on the last drive with 2 15 yarders and a off sides and they were playing prevent.
I still say, the biggest issue on the offense is getting Johnny to throw the ball in 2-3 seconds to the slots on their breaks. They should lead your team in receptions and they are open for 5-7 yards for a split second. This is what La Tech did so well.
That's open. but don't kid yourself, LSU is so talented defensively. Every catch the receiver pays a price. They are physical in coverage (many times past 10-15 yards) and they def line and lb's close quickly which kills your short game.
but honestly, we played a helluva game but we didn't capitalize.
first thing, we have the chop block which kills us 3-4 points. We have the missed pat, we have the missed fg.
then the worst thing was Malena fumbling the ball.
We have the interception when Evans catches it and has at least 10 more yards of daylight.
then Johnny throws a pick scrambling that we were once again in their terrritory.
finally, we have Trey Williams run it back to the 16 and get no points. those were the worst 3 calls I have seen.
But again, every time Johnny tried to qb draw, 2 yards. That's neutering your X Factor's legs and we haven't been that consistent running the ball when we want to run or passing the ball when we want to strictly pass.
there is a reason that Florida shut us out the entire 2nd half. once you cut Johnny's legs out, we aren't a good offense. So what do you do?
you can get a 15 yard run but then have a 1 or 2 yard carry. 2nd and 9 and 3rd and 8 type of stuff you have to throw.statistics kill a true analysis of a game. it doesn't tell the story. We don't run the ball well when we want to run.
We run when there is 6 in the box. when lsu puts 7 we aren't going to run much because that's 2 extra defenders and we will lose yardage. That's why your statistic bull chit doesn't give a true breakdown of what's working or not working
the bottom line is LSU is a badarse and fast defense and probably our hardest defensive matchup of the season. I bet we have more success vs bama beause they are bigger which we need.
I'll completely disagree with you here. Yes. We need to run the ball more and the palycalling after treys return was bad, but kingsbury put our offense in far greater position for success today than he did to get them. 27 first downs and 410 yards kind of prove that. Turnovers and bertilet hurt this team far more than kk. He did more right for us than wrong in this game. And as a whole, our staff out coached them. No doubt about that.
at the end of the day, turnovers beat us. no doubt about that.
what did we have 3 picks and 1 fumble? 21 points off that.
I think you are spot on Daddy98 but I do think we could at least attempt to play to our OL's strength & on occasion put them in a 3pt stance & pound the ball. They can do that & they are getting a little better run blocking from the 2pt but it is definitely harder for them to do & it shows. Everyone knows JFF is a run threat now & they still have to account for him or he will make them pay if he sees that they forget about him. I just think the play book hasn't been fully opened & sure as hell hope these are the kind of things we haven't saw yet.
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Here's the real real deal:
We ARE a passing team, when Manziel is sat down and told to stay in pocket and pass. He has been good to great with short passes. Today, he was asked to make over the top, extra long passes. The short yardage stuff was there to guys like Kenric McNeal and Swope and others. Many times the pocket was there for like 10 seconds. Screen passing has worked for us, with receivers blocking and getting us big YAC. Today, we tried that like twice...and it worked when we tried it.
So the blame is on Coach Puzzy and his pupil-- chicken little, running around like his head is cut off. He needs to sit in the pocket and pass, unless he has an obvious running lane...no more running around in circles and eights in order to gain 1 yard or lose 10! my gawd!
We have converted more 3rd and longs than anymore, per the ESPN game callers. So it's possible and we've done it. But it doesn't work when you just have a gimmick O against a good, fast D that's figured you out. You have to mix it up, play screen game, short passes, runs, running back catches from backfield, what about any jet sweep-- we got speed to burn and we've never called a jet sweep.
LSU's D is too fast? haha... welcome to the real SEC. We'll always be 3rd or 4th best in the West if our excuse is that the D is too fast...guess what, Bammer's D is too fast. And likely MSU's D is too fast as well. That's 3 quality opponents you'll have to face every single year. Get used to it. And play their fast D against them. That's what a good O does. Ours is a gimmick O, run by Coach puzzy.
The real deal is that this D put us in a position to win this game. This O sh(t the bed. And it is indeed on the coaches. They didn't use all the horses in their stable. When your KR hands you the game on a silver platter by returning the ball into opponent's red zone, and you can't punch it in-- you refuse to even call a run play...that's on coach sunglasses.
Well, putting up more yards, first downs, and what would have been more points than any other offense lsu has played ha it not been or missed kicks for starters.
But continue with yalls hatred for a coach thats done far more good than bad thus far. He, like any coach needs to improve and isn't perfect, but stop blocking out the good things he does while only focussing on the bad.
Malena had his shoulders squared when he fumbled that ball. No different than if we had run the ball. How can you possibly say that by running the ball we definitely take a 12 point lead into half?
3.and out after a monster return ended any momentum we could muster as a team. Offense stalled, and that's on kk. Too many damn empty sets on first down, gave up the run game after first quarter. Sounds familiar...oh yeah we stopped running the ball last year too.
don't worry-- everyone's been singing coaches' hosannas after the 5-1 start... few have noticed the weaknesses and called out, but they've been drowned by all the rah-rahs.
but time to show me the money.
if you lose a half, and then a game, even when you had superior offensive horses...that's on the coach for poor playcalling and not putting the players in position to win the game. players can only go and scramble around so much.
if you're happy with the base scheme on O, well... I don't know what to say.
3rd quarter RB rushes:
1st &10 3yd gain
2nd & 7 4yd gain
3rd & 2 16 yd gain
Very next play, hurry up 1 yr dive.
2nd & 6 9 yd gain
Very next play, hurry up 1 yard dive.
2 & 6 9 yd gain
7 plays later 1st & 5 T.D.
Again, the running game with the backs was there, no false stats here.
I agree but our off line is what it is. Sumlin's offense is an air raid system and doesn't exactly fit what Sherman does.
Still think the biggest issue we have is good fast press cb's just neuter us. tu neutered our pass game last year too.
We're suposed to have 2 Top 25 OL in the next draft. Bring in a blocking back, 2 TEs, go to power and let these supposed studs blow people off the ball by moving the pile form a traditional set and a 3 point stance. Who says JFF can't run from there or we can't pass to a WR or TE or even run an option sweep. If Evans is outside 1 on 1 you have another TE in the game who can run a fade from a tight or seal off a S and let the lead blockers take the sweep to the end zone. How about letting the lead blocker run a straight out and throw. There are all kinds of plays that can be run in tight from a power formation, you don't need the Spread every play.
KK's adjustments are either bad or non-existent for the 2nd half. He's been bad all year. The offense stalls out in the 3rd every game. That being said, we were running open over the middle all game and JFF missed his reads.
and to think that Sumlin's UH teams outscored their opponents in 3rd and 4th quarters... that was their bread-and-butter. and that was sort of the expectation for this season, especially with all the rave reviews of our S&C coach Jackson. Obviously, S&C isn't the issue. But the same playcalling is going up against much stiffer competition in terms of opposing players and playcallers.
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