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Hell no! As much as you Sip fans have SEC envy over our move your brass is far too inclined to take the path of least resistance as possible. Also we would do everything in our power to keep you snobby liberals out of the promised land!
Texas is never getting in. Enjoy the Big 12 suckas.
I understand you're just having a conversation. I myself love discussing these things in a friendly manner, which you are doing quite well at. But I still don't see it happening.
This was a 100 year decision, not a 5 year one. A&M loses 80% of its advantages by allowing you on to our playground. Don't you think we got some assurances from the SEC Brass before we made such a big move? Texas would never allow such a thing to happen to their competitive advantage (why do you think they made such a big deal about Prop 48 students with Nebraska when the Big XII was formed?). No reason A&M should, either.
As far as Bobby Burton's favorite term of "moving the needle", yes you do. But to how much of a degree to where you are now considered worth it inside of an already conquered market? Especially when we will be up to 16 schools before you will be considered?
Like I said, I truly don't ever see it happening. The ONLY caveat would be if the NCAA folds altogether and the entire college structure is reorganized under something totally new (which is a possibility).
Texas is a valuable entity. No one is denying that. But its value is VASTLY undermined by having Texas A&M already in the fold. A quick glance at the TV and "internet" ratings of the past year prove that Texas A&M brought the state of Texas and its TV markets along with them to the SEC.
I understand that Slive is a businessman, but I also understand that the SEC has the loyalty of its members by having a history of doing right by its members. The idea that Slive would turn around and stab A&M in the back by inviting Texas is hard to fathom. Not after the massive boon that A&M has been for the SEC. Not saying it's impossible, but would be hard to imagine. Don't forget, it's not just A&M that would likely be against adding Texas - you could almost certainly add LSU and Arkansas to the schools that would have zero interest in adding Texas to the SEC.
There are simply too many other good options to think that Texas is the mythical unicorn in this scenario.
Finally, all of you Texas fans seem to be forgetting that the most difficult part of getting into the SEC is actually getting OUT OF the Big 12. It was crazy when A&M left, in fact it took two years and a perfect alignment of political power and gamesmanship to finally be free to take the SEC offer. Texas leaving would mean the end of the Big 12 as a power conference. There is simply no way imaginable that the combined political powers of Baylor, Texas Tech and TCU (yes, you invited them and now they will fight to keep you there) would ever let you leave in what would be considered a "money grab", thus leaving them to die on the vine. Heck, you can include OU/OSU as they have many strong alums in the state.
Okay, I should be getting work done, but I just can't see any way that Texas to the SEC makes any sense.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Irish Aggie MM 13 months ago
He's just talking.
It was obviously hell for us to get out of the Big 12 seeing that it took us 3 tries. One of the biggest forms of help was UT saying the Big 12 would survive without Texas A&M. It would surely wither if UT left as OU- and therefore OSU- would look elsewhere. The political pressure to keep UT in the Big 12 would be very strong.
That said, there is a growing sentiment among UT fans that joining the SEC is in their best interests; we need to be proactive in assuring that can't happen even after the GOR runs out. I've read several times that we must have made sure they could not follow us when we joined the SEC, but it has all been conjecture.
IMO it would make sense that UF, USC, UGA would want us to be part of their "gentleman's agreement" as they would need 4 dissenting opinions to block Florida State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech in a conference of 14-16 teams
For elite athletic departments/fanbases is more what I would say. There's a fair amount of lesser academia that would give me pause to say "elite schools". The fact is Ok State doesn't bring desirable tv markets on their own. The SEC isn't going to take Ok State just to get OU, IMO. We are at the level we don't have to.
The best bet is to take a virginia school (VTech fits best) and a North Carolina school (Couldn't care less as long as it's not duke or wake forest, but UNC is the bigger brand). and build the TV market footprint well. It's not just different markets, it's populations of markets. VA and NC are states with fanbases that would presumably fit in with the existing SEC culture. OU and OSU do to an extent (I have really like all of the OSU ppl I've met), but they offer less in TV markets as a package than east coast teams.
Maybe posting's just not your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.
TB does have a point. I mean we only have that Sliver of east Texas lol.
Exactly what Television Market would adding Texas bring? See Florida/Florida St.
Now you are just being ridiculous.
that is why I said assuming new leadership because you are right they want nothing to do with it. i have no doubt you guys will do everything in your power to prevent. hypothetical scenario of course.
Hookem for Life!
They're just a mediocre big 12 team
Thanks for the conversation. I am assuming a lot of things which most likely won't happen, but still good conversation.
I understand the competitive advantage you guys have and that adds to the intrigue about SEC expansion. I agree I am sure their is a gentleman agreement of some kind which only a few individuals will truly know that. You guys will fight the same as UF or UGA or SC.
Believe me did not steal that quote from BB. I have my own thoughts on this subject. We can debate conquered market vs. national program appeal because everybody will have their opinion and value assessments. But i think it also relates back to my previous post about Texas being big enough much like the NFL with Texans and Cowboys and Tampa/Miami. It all depends on when you guys start expanding. if you guys start and deloss is still in charge, no chance. Any word on when you guys are going to expand? I know everybody seems to think it is daily.
I hate the NCAA so hopefully that happens and all bets are off.
You continue to ignore the single biggest obstacle - political pressure to preserver the Big 12 for Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU and possibly even OU/OSU. Once you can figure out a way to clear that hurdle, then we can begin to discuss the potential of the SEC to invite you in (which would be fought by A&M, LSU, Arkansas, not to mention the gentleman's agreement you referenced above).
There are several reasons why Texas to the SEC is unlikely, not the least of which is that the administration of Texas has no interest in being associated with the SEC. It's just not their self conception. That may not sound like much, but it's a very big deal to the people with real decision making powers at Texas.
Texas's goal has been and will continue to be to become an independent in football, a la Notre Dame. They're going to do everything possible to preserve the Big 12 because they need a home for their Olympic sports programs...and they need the flexibility with respect to some home football television rights (they drive distribution for the LHN). No other major conference (e.g. the ACC, Pac-12 and especially the SEC and Big Ten) was willing to countenance a scenario whereby Texas was allowed to "go it alone" as far as certain rights were concerned. The Big 12 was willing. We all understand why.
Altogether, it's not a bad plan for Texas. If they can keep the Big 12 together, go independent in football (with a tie in to play a bunch of Big 12 games) and get significant distribution for the LHN...it sets them up to be differentiated. Like ND. But, the vision has fallen dangerously behind schedule. Combined with the sudden rise of A&M (reality and perception) in the SEC...and the natives are getting restless. They need to get the vision back on track. And fast.
I think their back-up plan is the ACC, likely through a merger. That scenario, though, reminds me of the disastrous HP-Compaq merger. Merging two hobbled entities usually works out pretty poorly. The Pac-12 is the better route, but they won't allow Texas to have a vertical network; so, Texas will stick with Plan A for now.
Agree with the others that Texas also has a political problem. There are several in state programs who they are, essentially, shackled to. That restricts their unilateral movement. A&M was fortunate to have escaped that particular burden. In my view, Texas elected to pursue the vision I described earlier, and that enabled A&M to quote-unquote get out. Timing is everything...
For a multitude of reasons, UVA and UNC are the two most attractive schools for the SEC, IMO.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by mediaguysf1 13 months ago
You know I did not speak any negative towards aTm right. aTm does not own Texas TVs. It may take you a little bit to admit that, but I have no problem admitting that Texas does not own every TV in Texas, but does carry with it as much value and "very debatable" more national value and TV sets than aTm. In my opinion, will you guys surpass us if you make a post manziel 5-7 year like run like we had, hell yes. assuming manziel leaves after next year.
it is fun to talk about.
Your premise is flawed b/c you are looking at TV "sets" when in fact you should be looking at TV "markets". Broadcasting agreements are not done on a set by set basis. They are done on a market by market basis. A&M has enough draw in every TV market in the state to bring every market with them to any potential TV Rights Agreements. Frankly, the discussion on actual TV sets themselves is mostly irrelevant for this purpose.
I am not ignoring it because those schools did not stop you guys, we would just fight it out in court. We need to use our money for something The only way I see it happening is if football broke a part from the NCAA.
also pending the assumed gentlemen's agreement. The hypothetical is fun to discuss.
I believe Texas could break away after a lengthy and costly public/state fallout. The question then becomes whether or not the SEC wants to have anything to do with that kind of situation. I maintain that Texas' value is significantly undermined by A&M's presence in the SEC. Thus, it would seem to be a much more desirable to simply bring in a different school in an untapped market (Virginia, D.C., North Carolina, etc.) that would not bring anywhere near the same level of strife and headache.
Good write up. I just dont see the LHN being a sticking point because ESPN/Disney owns it. For all I know, they could buy-out the rest of the contract and cut us loose because we keep losing. We will see what happens. it will come down to leadership and Texas needs a new track as you say. I agree and a lot of the fan base agree with that. Coach and AD.
It will be fun to watch. We will see who is willing to step up and make the changes to keep up with the rise of the Aggies.
True. I think Va Tech or UVA goes and NCState or UNC. How many teams does the SEC want will change a lot of thought process. We will see.
The issue with letting texas in is that we will no longer have the differential of allowing kids to play in the SEC (hurts us in recruiting). It hurts other SEC west schools to have another texas school to choose and play in the SEC (there are less scraps for them in Texas that want to play SEC ball). It's best for recruiting to keep the longhorns out, I would think.
I don't understand this, the Big12 is stronger than its ever been, I've seen the commercials, bringing WVU and TCU in, made the league better than it was with NU, CU, A&M & MIZ
So why would Texas want to leave the most competitive league, its deeper than its ever been.
A big part of thw sip business plan in establishing their trademark branding is to cupcake their way in with lopsided win/loss records. Without those kind of highly visiable records they remain less than immortal A move to a conference that poses credible competition is just too much of a roll of the dice for them.
" Manziel is “a good kid, an honest kid. He has his heart in the right place.”
Chancellor, Texas A&M
I agree that many things could happen to change the outlook. I never thought I'd see A&M finally make it to the SEC). The departures of Colorado and Nebraska, and eventually The Longhorn Network, opened that door. But I just can't see a reasonable explanation of how Texas ends up in the SEC without some other major shakeup in college football. Texas is too big (both literally and figuratively) to ever end up stranded, I just don't think the SEC is an option.
This is the answer and it isn't close.
Helps not dilute the football product, delivers DC, delivers/raises the group-academics and gives UK/SEC a worthy basketball foe/prime time national game as well as a decent football school.
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