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Excellent insight mediaguysf1. I don't think I've ever complimented anyone on any of these sites. Ever.
I am surprised that no one has brought up the 7-year grant-of-rights that UT signed up for in order to keep the Big 12-4+2 together. Effectively, this shackles the next 6 years of cash-flow to the B12-4+2. (assuming that the first of the seven year obligation was met in the 2012 - 2013 academic year)
I would think that this dynamic would make it very difficult for UT to move anywhere. I guess that they could cut a $180MM to $250MM one-time payoff to exit this agreement (assuming the value of each year at $30MM in the first year with a strong year-over-year escalation based on the current trajectory of the valuation of high D1 college athletic rights). However, that is about 1/2 of a new stadium and cannot be capitalized or funded via a bond offering etc.
As much as I despise UT, it is irrational to think that their brand would not be considered attractive to any conference commissioner.
The big problem with inviting UT in is best communicated via a popular joke.
Q: What conferences has Texas destroyed?
A: Everyone they have been associated with.
This post was edited by Ag8724738 13 months ago
Excellent post. I agree. It would take a multitude of things to happen before any big 12 commitments could get released or unlawyered. mainly the NCAA would most likely have to implode and a NFL lite type of league with 20-30 teams who can finance elite stadiums,talent, coaching etc...
we will see. You guys should feel good that you made the move. (Understatement) - DeLoss was only looking at a 4-6 year decision to see out his career instead of focusing on a longer horizon. I have lobbied for new leadership for a long time and something will shake things up in the future because the money will stop flowing.
Hookem for Life!
I have been wondering about that one for a while. Dodds always seems to fall back on the "only $100M AD in the country" argument to defend all of his actions. While it is very impressive, it's more a sign of what was than what is. Obviously donations are a huge part of that, which are driven by winning. At what point do you think the Texas Exes will start withholding their standard generous donations? Now? 1 more bad fall season? Never?
I thought the GOR was for 13 years
TAMUwake - I am not sure on the 7 years. You may be correct on the 13 year window.
Obviously, this would make switching conferences even more costly and difficult to fund.
Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes. It certainly isn't a win win for us to have texas in with us. They may suck right now, the AD might be incompetent now, but to invite them into the SEC would undermine everything we've done. It does us no good in the long term to give texas that kind of power. They did everything in their power to stop us, I see no reason whatsoever we would want them in. It was a toxic relationship, plain and simple
Let me start by saying, great conversation... The only issue is, no matter who "owns" the TV'swithin the State, if the carrier has the channel, then the person will be paying for it (depending on the package it's lumped with). So, the SEC can have practically every TV in the State of Texas without having the Longhorns as part of the conference. Plus, we saw who watched the Bama vs. TAMU game last year. Saw some nice numbers out of Austin. The fact is, longhorns will tune in to watch "Aggy" get beat (or preferably not, get a win). It's a double win for the SEC where not only do they get paid for all of the TV's in the state yet they get the added benefits that comes with the viewers (because people are going to watch).
What the dangerous part for the longhorns will come in 15 years (or so). That is when you have a 15 year old who has grown up watching TAMU play in the SEC (and pulling for his/her team from the State of Texas) and also watching the Longhorns who play in the Big 12 (also pulling for his/her team from the State of Texas). When there is no rivalry between the two teams, kids will grow up without picking a side. Thus you will see them purchase gear from each school and pull for both.
When it comes to the horns, i see them heading out West to join the Pac 12. It actually fits the culture of the school. Not to mention Austin welcoming in USC, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, ASU, UCLA etc. This would actually give the staff something to sell than the one game season they currently have left themselves (i.e. OU).
I can see longhorns talking about going to the SEC yet it's envy that is talking right now. Sure, i think the best thing for the horns to do is join the Pac12 yet the longer they sit in the Big 12 the more time TAMU has to grow and become something that will NOT fade away.
Just my two cents:-)
For some reason, I want to say their is some outclause after 7 years. somebody would have to fill me in on that. not sure. at least 7 years is still a good chuck of change. We will see.
Yeah. I think when all is said in done we will head west because Pac 12 is land locked at this point and they want more exposure to the Texas market plus as you said and we know, it would fit austin's personality. Winning cures all and recruits will always follow the wins. new leadership will be key in the AD and HC. I also see OU and OSU plus either Tech or New Mexico.
your first paragraph would work the same for the PAC 12 for instance if their is a USC/Texas game. I am sure their would be ags watching under the same thoughts as you mentioned (get beat or preferably win).
We will see what happens.
SEC Network announcement in April
From Yahoo! Sports: The SEC has been renegotiating its media rights after the addition of Missouri and Texas AM in 2012.
Slive doesn't want Texas. He's got the tv sets already with the Ags.
He wants new markets. Va Tech and NC State make most sense. Possibly UNC.
^ correct and anything else is incorrect. It's about TV sets, not getting the joneses of college football...
I am not sure why everyone wants Va Tech over UVA.
UVA and UNC would be the knock-out blow regarding TV sets.
Reading hookem.com, those guys are convinced they are headed to the SEC and that Slive is just waiting until Dodds retires. They also think that Slive is going to kick A&M out of the SEC so they can add Texas.
Love it. Longhorn posters have completed the transformation as the absolutely dumbest internet fan base out there.
This post was edited by Xterminator 13 months ago
This is what I've always wondered. I think people like the idea of V Tech or Virginia because of the more recent success in football, which in a lot of fans' minds = "fitting in to the SEC" better.
Give me Virginia and UNC. Both solid athletic departments, and very very good academic institutions (2013 USNWR has them at #24 and #30 respectively in the country).
Regarding the Big12's GOR, it's a moot point if the conference no longer exists, which is exactly what would happen if Texas left. They're also not going to leave alone. If they move, they'll take at least OU with them.
Yes the game right now is to increase TV footprint for the network. I just don't believe that will be the goal into perpetuity. At some point, you'll be geographically locked, and it's my opinion that the new game will be to increasing quality content.
The contest as king of college football has really just begun between the B1G and SEC. They're slowly eliminating the competition and making it a two horse race.
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I disgree. The big 12 might be done a "legitimate" power conference, but they only need 7 or more members to stay viable. Say OU and texas leave along with Tech and Baylor. Couldn't you see Rice, UofH, UTSA, SMU, UTEP,Tulane, ULM, ULaLa, or some combination joining? It would be a CUSA type of conference, but it would be viable. Travel would become much better. And, oh yeah, they get to keep the money that the other schools get from their TV deals.
Obviously, OU and texas aren't giving up their TV monies. However, it does mean that even if they can arrange for a PAC12 move, they also have to arrange for a soft landing space for the remainder of the conference or the leftover Big 12 might try to remain alive and suck $$ from the big boys that left.
The true test of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with you.
You can't have a legit discussion about this with any Texas fan. You just can't do it. It's not about A&M "Trying to nix" Texas to the SEC, it's about Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, and A&M nixing that deal. Mizzou and Arkansas? Yeah you can count them too. "Texas brings this and that!" Ok. Damn near half the conference would vote no -right off the freakin bat- and it doesn't add anything.
As respectful as homeboy was, it's still a touch condescending. A&M doesn't bring TV sets -except we do. Check the ratings for our first year. This is the crux of the issue: they see us as a neat little program doing neat little things. Hey asshat: top 5 in the country in enrollment, top 10 in endowment, tier 1 academics, in the best athletic conference in the country. Oh and our new stadium? It's about to be bigger than yours.
So save your condescending neat little program shit.
Are you kidding? I could hear that arrow a mile away.
All you gotta do is google.
A&M doormat SEC hookem
Lots of good reading material from just a year ago. Now to hear they wanna go to the SEC? Beech please. You made your bed. We are gonna get our 25 guys a year regardless. We got more 4 stars this year than their entire conference. Of course they want out.
Can you really blame them for wanting to follow older brother?
Wouldn't be hard to get the votes to stop Texas from joining the SEC. Florida, USCe, UGA, Vandy and A&M all vote no for sure and you only need four to derail the move.
I know people hate the guy, including me, but Ken Starr really did well for Baylor. For awhile there it looked as if Baylor may have ended up in the Sunbelt Conference. By some kind of miracle he got Baylor a pay raise to revenue sharing equality (+8M/Year) and managed to shackle the Conference together for 7 years by getting schools to agree to putting up there TV revenue. So, if OU or Texas wants to leave, bye-bye $120M.
Baylor, basically a Conference parasite for all but the past few years, gets $20M without really contributing much, if any, bowl money.
The GOR isn't 7 years, it's 13.
It's also automatically nullified if the conference falls below 7 teams.
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