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You're the one mentioned finals with 3 teams for Shaq, so you can't just dismiss your own argument. Plus Shaquille was never considered the the uncontested best player for any of his ring teams. There was no arguing who was the best player on Dream's teams.
And 39 year old Kareem had Magic & Worthy to carry the heavy load for him and keep those legs fresh. Who did 39 year old Dream have? Vince Carter?
This post was edited by JARig 18 months ago
What argument would I be dismissing, sir? That makes zero sense. I was only saying to lead 3 different teams to the Finals is impressive and noteworthy.
Shaq was the dominant and key player on his 3 "ring teams" in LA. Maybe his "best player on that team" status was contested by you, but not by the masses. Shaq > Kobe.
39 year old Kareem did have Showtime. And he still was putting up 20+ pts and 6+ boards. Are you saying if Hakeem had a better team around him he would have been able to match Kareem at the same age?
Kobe was far better than any of Hakeem's supporting cast during the championship years. Kobe was already an established superstar and in the prime of his career.
Drexler was 33 years old in 95 and on the downside of his career.
There wasn't even an obvious 2nd guy on the 94 team. Kenny Smith? Vernon Maxwell?
Centers only? Kareem, Russel, Wilt say hello!
Read Kareem's book and see what he says about Bill Walton, then get back to me on the best center (not arguing best pro career of all time -- that is Bill Russel hands down).
A.) You're the one who said he made it to the Finals with the Orlando. Than you dismiss it by saying he was only 22. Which is it, sir?
B.) Yes I am. Rudy T used Dream the same way Bum Phillips used Earl Campbell. The entire offense ran through him (Dream was the only Point Center of your group, btw).
You do that 5 years straight with no real supporting cast for an 82 game season + playoffs and it takes years off of your game (watch Kobe decline at the end of this year if he's forced to guard the opposing team's best player the rest of the season). Also, when you don't have to do everything, you can focus less on your defense and more on your offense.
Put Dream with the Kobe/Phil Jackson team and tell me he doesn't get 3+ rings. Now tell me how many fewer rings the Lakers would have had with Dream vs. Kareem in the Showtime Era.
The guy had a unique set of skills that no one else had (save for Kareem's Sky Hook). Plus he understood the game at such a high level that double teaming him was just out of the question, because it would always lead to a wide open 3pt shot.
You'll probably see another behemoth like Shaq barreling everybody over, again. You'll never see another smooth operator in the post like Dream.
Center or player?
Definitely noticed that. Hakeem is still so fluid for a big man.
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