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Finished building my AR last night

  • ckwarren33 said...

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    In case you haven't been paying attention, our Congress just contravened the 5th Amendment's right to due process via passage of the New Defense Authorization Act. This fact is not even contested along partisan lines. Slightly more arguable is whether the Patriot Act (and its TSA bastard child) contravenes the 4th Amendment protection from unlawful search and seizure. Add proposed legislation at the state level (Washington proposing to allow the local sheriff to inspect a gun owners home annually w/o warrant; New York State proposing gun owners carry a $1MM liability policy on their gun, with a $1600-2000 annual premium) and you have evidence for an unprecedented assault on America's Constitutional foundation.

    Separately, US non-military domestic government agencies are in process of acquiring a MASSIVE amount of ammunition (and battle rifles). We're talking about >1.6 BILLION rounds to the Department of Homeland Security. Obama has declared he wants to create a non-military defense force equal in size to our US military (perhaps employing folks who swore an oath to the Constitution would not be appropriate). Why these agencies, including the Social Security Administration are buying so much guns'n'ammo now raises interesting questions.

    Separately, our government is printing $80 billion dollars of fiat currency every month, which comes within 20% of covering the annual fiscal deficits the US has been running for each of the past 4 years. This is unsustainable, and at some future point, hyperinflation will occur without increasing US fiscal responsibility. The related instability, to which foreign currency wars will likely contribute, could prove difficult to control.........................

    Nice post CK!

    Unfortunately goons like Gary are either too illiterate to read all of what you read and/or lack the ability to discern the meaning of why we have a federal constitution.

    Gig'em Ags! ----- Proverbs 10:4 (NIV) Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth.

    goodbull92

  • shermanager11 said...

    Actually no, it was really, really easy. It just slid right in. This is the guide I used; it said the pivot pin would be hard too. I had the most trouble with the detent pins, just trying to make sure I hammered them in without scratching anything

    Just curious, about how long did it take you to assemble?

    Great looking setup

    CoachCharlie

  • goodbull92 said...

    Nice post CK!

    Unfortunately goons like Gary are either too illiterate to read all of what you read and/or lack the ability to discern the meaning of why we have a federal constitution.

    I hold a bachelors from Texas A&M in Environmental Deisgn, Architcture. I have my MBA from the University of Alabama. I have my Masters of Science in Engineering, Environmental from Louisiana State University. I am the youngest healthcare director in the state in a hospital of at least 200 beds... So I would shut the fuck up about who is illiterate or not.

    I understand a man's rights but that doesn't change the fact that man sometimes is misguided and overall plain stupid... Thus in majority a gun of that magnitude should not be allowed (in most cases).

    I own multiple firearms myself, but I can proudly say none of them go above and beyond what I need to protect my wife and to hunt. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I own a fuel efficient car, a diesel TDi, because common sense tells me that not only can I save money but I am using way less fuel than the average driver.

    I own a 1500sf home because common sense tells me that my wife and I don't require anymore space or it would be a waste (utilities, money, and time).

    It's simple tactics of risk assessment.

    I am so sorry that I have different views than what seems like every single one of you on this fucking board, but you know what, I am proud of that. I am not a blinded, southern, right-winged man - I choose to open my eyes and evolve. It's 2013, not 1913.

    Just so you know, before someone thinks they are so awesome and bring it up... I did NOT vote for Obama and in fact, I have never voted democrat. Since the day I could vote - I vote straight ticket red. So fuck off with any of those comments.

    justanothername

  • What exactly is so "misguided" about them, Gary? Seriously? Do you think semi-auto shotguns should be illegal? How about semi-auto .22lr? Your typical, garden variety glock, beretta, sig sauer 9mm, 45, or 40 cal pistols?

    AR15s just look wicked. They're not even that powerful. And the number of murders committed with pistols, knives, and hammers (yes, the kind you have in your garage) massively outnumbers those committed with assault rifles.

    cameron00

  • ***I do not own a single AR of any sort***

    cameron00

  • GaryRizz said...

    I hold a bachelors from Texas A&M in Environmental Deisgn, Architcture. I have my MBA from the University of Alabama. I have my Masters of Science in Engineering, Environmental from Louisiana State University. I am the youngest healthcare director in the state in a hospital of at least 200 beds... So I would shut the fuck up about who is illiterate or not.

    I understand a man's rights but that doesn't change the fact that man sometimes is misguided and overall plain stupid... Thus in majority a gun of that magnitude should not be allowed (in most cases).

    I own multiple firearms myself, but I can proudly say none of them go above and beyond what I need to protect my wife and to hunt. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I own a fuel efficient car, a diesel TDi, because common sense tells me that not only can I save money but I am using way less fuel than the average driver.

    I own a 1500sf home because common sense tells me that my wife and I don't require anymore space or it would be a waste (utilities, money, and time).

    It's simple tactics of risk assessment.

    I am so sorry that I have different views than what seems like every single one of you on this fucking board, but you know what, I am proud of that. I am not a blinded, southern, right-winged man - I choose to open my eyes and evolve. It's 2013, not 1913.

    Just so you know, before someone thinks they are so awesome and bring it up... I did NOT vote for Obama and in fact, I have never voted democrat. Since the day I could vote - I vote straight ticket red. So fuck off with any of those comments.

    If you're punching a straight ticket, I'd say you're part of the problem & that you're partially blinded in fact.

    I like your idea's of driving a fuel efficient car, and owning a small house, those are conservative idea's, you seem to have 'liberal' 'progressive' 'communist' ideas about the sorts of guns someone should own.

    You definitely have an interesting palate

    CoachCharlie

  • cameron00 said...

    What exactly is so "misguided" about them, Gary? Seriously? Do you think semi-auto shotguns should be illegal? How about semi-auto .22lr? Your typical, garden variety glock, beretta, sig sauer 9mm, 45, or 40 cal pistols?

    AR15s just look wicked. They're not even that powerful. And the number of murders committed with pistols, knives, and hammers (yes, the kind you have in your garage) massively outnumbers those committed with assault rifles.

    Did you even read my post...

    I'm under the belief, build something constructive not destructive. What inherently can be gained by purchasing or building a rifle of that sort? Personal gratification? That's about it. It comes down to, look who's dick is bigger again. Get over it and do something for life rather than building and purchasing more guns.

    justanothername

  • Warren,

    What's the turn time on your predatOBR? I've had a predatAR on order for months and my order is still "in queue".

    gunner03

  • CoachCharlie said...

    If you're punching a straight ticket, I'd say you're part of the problem & that you're partially blinded in fact.

    I like your idea's of driving a fuel efficient car, and owning a small house, those are conservative idea's, you seem to have 'liberal' 'progressive' 'communist' ideas about the sorts of guns someone should own.

    You definitely have an interesting palate

    I agree with your statement that I shouldn't punch straight ticket... I wish I had more time to research everyone being elected at every level. I do my best but I tend to focus on higher level positions and hope by punching a straight ticket their ideals and programs will be ratified with the help of those partisans below them. I know that's an over simplistic view but I don't have the luxury to research anymore than I do, call it blind political faith.

    I believe people should have the right to own guns but man has proven (in general) they are not responsible enough for some things. Like I said, I own multiple firearms and I will protect my right to own them at the fullest but owning something that doesn't hold value or overall benefit me in any way other than looking cool... What's the point?

    justanothername

  • GaryRizz said...

    Personal gratification? That's about it. It comes down to, look who's dick is bigger again. Get over it and do something for life rather than building and purchasing more guns.

    Dude, you just wrote a thesis above on how bad ass you were, & then you describe putting an AR together as dick measurement? Too funny

    BennyBoy199253

  • CoachCharlie said...

    Just curious, about how long did it take you to assemble?

    Great looking setup

    Back to the point, once you get all the stuff it only takes a couple hours to build

    shermanager11

  • Gary, don't get your panties in a wad for the criticism. You are the one that came on here calling people stupid for thinking an AR is a good gun to own. I find your statement that we are a "blinded, southern, right-winged man" and you chose to "open your eyes" extremely hypocritical. You are crying that we aren't letting you have your opinion when you initiated the argument by calling everyone else stupid for their opinion. Hypocrisy

    Just curious, what is you reason for thinking an AR only belongs in the hands of law enforcement? Has to be the magazine capacity right? I have a feeling if he showed a pic with a 10 rd magazine instead of a 30 you would have made the same statement. Is it the pistol grip? collapsible stock? Quad rail fore-end for mounting lights, lasers, exc? I guess its really because this gun looks "scary". It is far less powerful than most other rifles. Hell that is the absolute minimum caliber that I would take whitetail deer hunting.

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    choog

  • This will be my only political post and I'm only posting it because you attacked me. Since you made a judgment of me simply off something I purchased, I'll make a more educated one on you (albeit still not very) because you posted a lot of information about yourself.

    The people that scare/sadden me the most in this country are the ones like Gary: the extremely educated, well-off people who just don't understand what our government is doing or what they have the capability to do in the future, no matter who the president is. Read a history book; democracies eventually fail. The government eventually wants too much power and the people realize they can vote themselves benefits. I can understand the ignorant people voting for handouts and how they are blind to what our government will eventually do-- there are a lot of flat out stupid people in the world. But the intelligent, contributing members like Gary who have no problem with the government infringing on our constitutional rights, can't understand that revolution is inevitable, and can't see the warning signs are the most ignorant/dangerous people of all. And before you think me a doomsday prepper, I'm not saying this will happen soon. It could happen in 1 year or 1000, but it will happen eventually

    And how hypocritical is it that Gary calls us out for being wasteful, yet spends time and money on a recruiting board?

    shermanager11

  • You got me, I must be dumb.
    I have been White Deer hunting multiple times and I have never seen anyone truly need that type of rifle.

    By the way, I stated my credentials because illiteracy is a direct insult on my intelligence. I never called anyone stupid, I said "just stupid"... Meaning I think the gun is - not you or you or even you. Maybe I should have but I didn't.

    justanothername

  • shermanager11 said...

    This will be my only political post and I'm only posting it because you attacked me. Since you made a judgment of me simply off something I purchased, I'll make a more educated one on you (albeit still not very) because you posted a lot of information about yourself.

    The people that scare/sadden me the most in this country are the ones like Gary: the extremely educated, well-off people who just don't understand what our government is doing or what they have the capability to do in the future, no matter who the president is. Read a history book; democracies eventually fail. The government eventually wants too much power and the people realize they can vote themselves benefits. I can understand the ignorant people voting for handouts and how they are blind to what our government will eventually do-- there are a lot of flat out stupid people in the world. But the intelligent, contributing members like Gary who have no problem with the government infringing on our constitutional rights, can't understand that revolution is inevitable, and can't see the warning signs are the most ignorant/dangerous people of all. And before you think me a doomsday prepper, I'm not saying this will happen soon. It could happen in 1 year or 1000, but it will happen eventually

    And how hypocritical is it that Gary calls us out for being wasteful, yet spends time and money on a recruiting board?

    Ask Taylor, I want off!

    justanothername

  • And since you were wondering why I wanted the gun, roughly in order:
    - fun to shoot
    - they'll probably soon be illegal and I wanted one before they were because, they're fun to shoot
    -I enjoy guns
    -I can use it for hunting, especially hog hunting
    - because I can

    Then way down in magnitude of importance:
    - home defense

    way further down:
    - government defense

    shermanager11

  • Gary....I will apologize only for insinuating the possibility of you being illiterate. I still hold the stance that you may lack the discernment to recognize that some people in government have an agenda to whittle away the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens.

    I am glad you mentioned you are in the healthcare industry because I too have been in that profession. My mother is an RN, I have four aunts who are RNs, two sister-in-laws who are also nurses....ect. So with that said, are you happy about the way government is involved in the Healthcare industry? There are several instances where I am sure, whether you will admit them here or not, in which you would like to tell the government they "are not responsible enough" to make the right decision in regards to a patient's healthcare. I could go on with healthcare analogies to support my case but the main point is that our government thinks they can solve everything by passing more laws without enforcing the ones they already have in place.

    The practicality of my vehicle, my house, my knife, my doctor or my gun should in fact be none of your damn business NOR the federal government.

    This post was edited by goodbull92 on 2/27/2013 at 8:58 AM

    Gig'em Ags! ----- Proverbs 10:4 (NIV) Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth.

    goodbull92

  • GaryRizz said...

    I believe people should have the right to own guns but man has proven (in general) they are not responsible enough for some things. Like I said, I own multiple firearms and I will protect my right to own them at the fullest but owning something that doesn't hold value or overall benefit me in any way other than looking cool... What's the point?

    I'm curious what you by "man has proven (in general) they are not responsible enough for some things." The overwhelming majority of gun owners will never commit a crime with them. You need to stop putting so much faith in the government to do the right thing and more in your fellow man. You'll always have evil and sick men in this world set on doing people harm but the solution is not to punish people who have done nothing wrong.

    JSheff12

  • GaryRizz said...

    You got me, I must be dumb. I have been White Deer hunting multiple times and I have never seen anyone truly need that type of rifle.

    By the way, I stated my credentials because illiteracy is a direct insult on my intelligence. I never called anyone stupid, I said "just stupid"... Meaning I think the gun is - not you or you or even you. Maybe I should have but I didn't.

    The OP specifically asked for this not to be a argumentative posts over ARs, yet you still weighed in.

    So, yes, you're a dumbass. Don't like them? Simply stay out of the conversation.

    Everybody wins.

    cameron00

  • cameron00 said...

    The OP specifically asked for this not to be a argumentative posts over ARs, yet you still weighed in.

    So, yes, you're a dumbass. Don't like them? Simply stay out of the conversation.

    Everybody wins.

    Hmmm, let me think... Discussion board.... What shall I do on a discussion board? Oh shit, I have a bright idea, maybe I can discuss my thoughts on the subject at hand. Dumbass indeed!

    This post was edited by justanothername on 2/27/2013 at 9:16 AM

    justanothername

  • JSheff12 said...

    I'm curious what you by "man has proven (in general) they are not responsible enough for some things." The overwhelming majority of gun owners will never commit a crime with them. You need to stop putting so much faith in the government to do the right thing and more in your fellow man. You'll always have evil and sick men in this world set on doing people harm but the solution is not to punish people who have done nothing wrong.

    You are correct that gun owners themselves may not commit the crimes, but in most documented cases (especially in the kids and teenagers) these deaths and crimes occur due to procurement through the gun owner, rather it be stolen or just found.

    I have the right to smoke cigarettes but it doesn't mean it's the smart thing for me to do. Man sometimes is not responsible enough to know what is best for society rather than simply themselves.

    I don't know where any of you think I believe in or support anything from our current government/president (other than gay rights maybe)... I believe you have the right to own the gun but it doesn't change the fact that maybe you just shouldn't.

    justanothername

  • shermanager11 said...

    I love the Magpul stuff. I'll probably get a Magpul fore grip too. I'm debating between angled and vertical, but I'm leaning towards angled because I've heard it feels more natural. I'll probably save up for awhile and get something nice for the optics like eotech. Anyone have any advice on accessories?

    Eotech is the best of the best. That is what my dad has on his and also my uncle. But since I'm a college student i cant justify spending $300-$500 on a sight. But if you can they are simply the best.

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    TexasAg12

  • GaryRizz said...

    Hmmm, let me think... Discussion board.... What shall I do on a discussion board? Oh shit, I have a bright idea, maybe I can discuss my thoughts on the subject at hand. Dumbass indeed!

    It's possible to "discuss" something without coming out blazing how stupid people are don't share your point of view.

    I find your point of view stupid. I'm pretty sure I could contain myself from posting my thoughts on how awesome little, gay, cars are if I tried though. Especially if you specifically noted that the thread was "only for little, gay, car enthusiasts".

    He asked for the thread to not become an AR argument. You insisted on making it one.

    So, yeah, I'm going to stick with "dumbass" and perhaps insert, "annoying" in front of it.

    cameron00

  • cameron00 said...

    My favorite is when people call ARs "machine guns".

    99% of people don't even know what AR stand for in AR15.

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    TexasAg12

  • "Please keep the politics for another thread, this one's for gun lovers."

    Here's the original request, in case it wasn't clear enough for you.

    cameron00