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OT: Ron Paul - HR 459 passes House with over 2/3 Majority

  • http://www.morallibertarian.com/2012/07/audit-fed.html

    Contact your Senators, why would you not want this to pass?

    CoachCharlie

  • Sounds like a good idea to me

    shermanager11

  • Outlandos said...

    If that some majority of congressman can adequately describe a "twist", then sure I'm all for it.

    Quantitative easing?

    CoachCharlie

  • “I have sponsored legislation that would call for an audit of the Federal Reserve System. I offer that amendment every year. Every year the legislation gets nowhere. I think it would be interesting to know about the Federal Reserve. I think we should audit the Federal Reserve,” Harry Reid January 25, 1995

    Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader and Nevada Democrat, has vowed not to put it to a vote 2012

    CoachCharlie

  • Outlandos said...

    QE1/QE2 and Operation Twist were different programs that used different bond buying techniques to affect rates.

    That's all well and good that you know what they are, but do you know how much was bought, how much money was created to buy those bonds? You do not, and that is the point behind the audit. Every time the Fed acts, it effects the value of the dollars in your pocket. Shouldn't we have the ability to know the scope of what they are doing and not just the white washed version they give us?

    I want to know.

    Libertarian

  • The FOMC meetings are not the meet and potatoes of Fed operation. Never have been. I read the occasional transcript, but really? Most of them are meaningless to learn what they are actually doing. The limited audit of the fed revealed trillions of dollars sent overseas and a sharp increase in some of the money supply indicators. The Fed will not release all of the money supply figures, however.

    And you are correct, the fed doesn't print money every time it buys bonds. It doesn't have to print it anymore. I can make it up digitally. And yes, it can "lend" money off the reserves deposited with it. Often it can lend money many times on the same reserves, the same as other banks do, except the Fed does it on a grander scale.

    And, if you go by their own definition of inflation, they haven't caused any of that at all. I'm so glad that they have such a stalwart champion in them as yourself and Mr. Reid.

    Libertarian

  • The central bank is run by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats, I don't want to bury my head in the sand, a thorough audit is needed

    CoachCharlie

  • Outlandos said...

    having spoken at length with Fed officials and the open market operations folks at the NY Fed I know that having more congressional oversight than already exists - insofar as it would dictate monetary policy - is a massive mistake.

    I prefer to take my advice on what oversight should be granted from those with the most to hide too.

    I don't think that sentence is a fabrication, but I also don't think it tells the whole story. The Fed is trying to drive down interest rates. It's set it's own overnight right at near zero and will keep it there for the foreseeable future. This not having enough impact on artificially lowering rates, the fed is buying up MBS and Bonds to drive rates down further.

    You may support this, since you seem to like limiting the level of information the People of this country should have. However, I think it's fraud. You see, an interest rate is a price. It's the price of time with respect to money and risk. By artificially lowering those rates, the Fed is attempting to induce people to spend or borrow by sending a false price signal. This is getting away from the point.

    I am not arguing for control of monetary policy, yet. I am arguing that before we can make a decision as to who has control over monetary policy, we need to know exactly what the Fed has been doing with their control. This is a representative democracy, a republic, if we can keep it that way. The people we elect and the people who do the electing, have a right to know what they are voting to continue or abolish. Maintaining secrecy undermines the democratic process.

    Libertarian

  • Outlandos said...

    The same could be said of the Supreme Court, but then again that's the way the founding fathers designed it. While the Supreme Court's decisions can sometimes be maddening, the founding fathers realized that some decisions (and in my opinion monetary policy is one) where politics does more harm than good.

    The 1913 Congress can't light a candle next to the Founding Fathers, most of whom warned against a central banking authority.

    Libertarian

  • Outlandos said...

    Per the Fed website: "The Federal Reserve controls the three tools of monetary policy--open market operations, the discount rate, and reserve requirements." But I guess you could be a conspiracy theorist and suggest this statement is a fabrication. Buying and selling bonds is at the very heart of Fed operations, which is why the NY Fed president is the most powerful in the Fed system and is the most likely to move up the political food chain (see Gheithner.)

    Do I agree with every Fed policy? I think QE2 and Operation Twist are a waste of time and potential inflation risk. But having spoken at length with Fed officials and the open market operations folks at the NY Fed I know that having more congressional oversight than already exists - insofar as it would dictate monetary policy - is a massive mistake.

    8 out of 10 Americans support a full audit, it would be easier to bury my head in the sand, but I support a full audit and can deal with the results, like them or not, we deserve to know.

    CoachCharlie