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What is our identity on defense? both on field and in recruiting

  • It’s obvious this staff doesn’t know their a$$holes from the ground when it comes to defensive recruiting. the blatant carelessness of handling of who we've offered and who we haven't offered (and the timing of each) on that side of the ball is flabbergasting.

    Ok, so that might be a tad audacious, but hear me out.

    Is it just me or is the defensive staff setting themselves up for scapegoat termination after the ’13 season simple because they don’t have the right bodies out there nor do they seem to have a plan to get necessary quantity and more quality??

    Case in point, Sean Porter and Jon Stewart aren’t coming back next year. Chuck Thomas retired. Washington was let go to Blinn (no reason why. Huh??) We have Baggs coming back as well as Steven Jenkins in ‘13. There is a real possibility Jenkins jets if he gets a 4th or even a 5th round or better projection after next year simply because he’s a 4th year JR from the Juco ranks. That leaves you with unknown commodities like the Taylor brothers (can they even play in a 4-3?), Richmond and Shaun Ward (bust?). Then on top, we’re recruiting low ceiling, cement shoe White kids at LB & DL that NO ONE else is pushing for but yet A&M is actually PUSHING for these kids in May?!?! Position coaches aren’t signing off on offers the territory recruiters are offering. It’s the wild west and someone is going to be held very accountable in due time.

    Don't get me started on the DLine. That deserves its own thread.

    The proof is there guys. Very concerning.

    Bennyboy

  • So you are complaining because we are taking a full house this year so they offer i guess a "second tier" LB and DE that commit almost immediately to get the ball rolling, and keep those relationships good rather than waiting and waiting on them and then once our first choice offers go elsewhere, we are left with chit? We would still take probably 8-10 more front 7 this year, and we sure aren't going to fill all those up with 4 stars. They are recruiting the hell out of JUCO as well right now because I bet you the coaches have seen that lack of depth especially after this year at LB and need immediate help. Don't even know why i respond, all in good fun.

    ChallengerAg

  • Polo
    Edmund Ray
    Zo Williams

    All of the above may never set foot on A&M's campus.

    Think about what our DL looks like if just those 3 players fail to get it.

    Terrifying.

    cameron00

  • we run a 4-3

    Do you not like the offers to Claiborne, Melvin Jones, Mitchell, Hollins at LB?

    Prevot, Deshaun Hall at DE?

    Golden, Manning, Huggins, Hardrech at DT?

    I guess you don't approve of these offers? Please explain why these are bad offers.

    TransAM18923

  • cameron00 said...

    Polo Edmund Ray Zo Williams

    All of the above may never set foot on A&M's campus.

    Think about what our DL looks like if just those 3 players fail to get it.

    Terrifying.

    i thought the only players not on campus were williams, ray, and twill? doesn't that mean polo is on campus?

    farmersfight08

  • Explain about the slow white kids. Since you never obviously come to any Camps to get to see these young men and pay little if any attention to their performances at those camps, how do you qualify to make such an evaluation. Is the Meastro 1 of your targets, if so I'll give you info from last summer I bet you don't have or have never seen. Also are you going to any of the summer camps at a remote location and are you going to go to CS for June 9.

    I can state "proof" as I have seen it personally, have you, and I'm not talking a highlight reel.

    This post was edited by iatggs on 5/29/2012 at 3:54 PM

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  • cameron00 said...

    Polo Edmund Ray Zo Williams

    All of the above may never set foot on A&M's campus.

    Think about what our DL looks like if just those 3 players fail to get it.

    Terrifying.

    Sadly, still better than it looks now. And I think it's pretty pessimistic to think that none of the three make it. Didn't Hamm say Polo was good to go? I think you, like Benny, are once again trying to find the most negative angle. The DL recruiting over the past 2 years(2012 and the start to 2013), is going to make our depth chart look better, not worse.

    As for Bennyboy, you are by far the worst poster i've ever seen. I'm not being subtle about it anymore. I absolutely loathe your posting style. I think judging by your down votes on multiple threads, most on here do as well.

    This post was edited by Aggie86 on 5/29/2012 at 6:28 PM

    Aggie86

  • Bennyboy said...

    It’s obvious this staff doesn’t know their a$$holes from the ground when it comes to defensive recruiting. the blatant carelessness of handling of who we've offered and who we haven't offered (and the timing of each) on that side of the ball is flabbergasting.

    Ok, so that might be a tad audacious, but hear me out.

    Is it just me or is the defensive staff setting themselves up for scapegoat termination after the ’13 season simple because they don’t have the right bodies out there nor do they seem to have a plan to get necessary quantity and more quality??

    Case in point, Sean Porter and Jon Stewart aren’t coming back next year. Chuck Thomas retired. Washington was let go to Blinn (no reason why. Huh??) We have Baggs coming back as well as Steven Jenkins in ‘13. There is a real possibility Jenkins jets if he gets a 4th or even a 5th round or better projection after next year simply because he’s a 4th year JR from the Juco ranks. That leaves you with unknown commodities like the Taylor brothers (can they even play in a 4-3?), Richmond and Shaun Ward (bust?). Then on top, we’re recruiting low ceiling, cement shoe White kids at LB & DL that NO ONE else is pushing for but yet A&M is actually PUSHING for these kids in May?!?! Position coaches aren’t signing off on offers the territory recruiters are offering. It’s the wild west and someone is going to be held very accountable in due time.

    Don't get me started on the DLine. That deserves its own thread.

    The proof is there guys. Very concerning.

    Lets dissect this atrocious post little by little, shall we?

    Ok, the first 2 paragraphs may have been slightly in jet, but they aren't even close to the truth, so i'm not sure where that came from anyways.

    You ask if the staff is setting themselves up for scapegoat termination? I ask you, based on what? This early in the game, we have about as good a defensive class as anyone. What's on campus now has nothing to do with their recruiting. They are actually doing just fine recruiting, despite what you or cameron say. Name 5 teams in the country who have clearly better recruiting classes than we do on the defensive side of the ball right now? I guarantee you cannot. We have 7 commits, with 3 of those being 4 stars. There aren't but a handful of teams better than that right now.

    Then you say case in point, and talk about the LBs. WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT DEFENSIVE STAFF. So again, I'm not sure where you are coming from. It has no bearing on your original point that the defensive staff isn't recruiting up to your standards. That comment is simply to be pessimistic, and it adds nothing to your argument but a whiny little babies voice in the background when reading it.

    Where are we recruiting low ceiling white kids that can't move? I fail to see that. And since when are the low ceiling? Oh yearh, because they are white. You have nothing more on that. You have no idea what kind of ceiling they have, because, lets face it, like most posters, you have no clue what you are looking for when it comes to talent evaluation. You see speed on film and say offer. That's all you can analyze for yourself. I wish Jay Arnold could have 3 minutes alone with you and you say this to his face. Lets see what happens then.

    Why not get you started on the DL??? Seems very good at this point.
    You are simply a pathetic poster and the worst I have seen on here or texags, and that's saying something.

    Aggie86

  • Bennyboy

  • I actually really like what the defensive staff is doing so far. Instead of wasting time on a lot of big name players that we all know we won't be getting over the likes of tu, LSU, Bama, etc. This staff is closing on players Sherm and co. Would have been scrambling around to get in January when (Insert big name Defensive recruits name here) left us hanging and committed to one of the big time programs.
    But unfortunately for Sherman, schools like Baylor, TCU, Ok State and Tech had been working on the 2 tier offer guys the whole time and it would be too late for us to make up any ground. That's when you would see the tier 3 offer guys or the infamous "sleeper" prospects.
    Sumlin and his staff see this and are locking these guys down early so they wont have to spread themselves too thin when NSD comes around and they can focus on guys that really matter instead of trying to gain ground on guys they could have had locked up months ago. Just my .02

    donbot

  • I'll bite - it's slow...what's your solution Benny or do you choose the liberal stance (protest & complain about everything with no solution)?

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    Agheart

  •         Plato argues a liberated prisoner would slowly discover different levels of authentic reality: first he would see the objects and the light inside the cavern, later he would come out of it and see first the shades of the objects, then the reflections of those objects on the water and finally the real objects. At last he would see the Sun and conclude it is the reason of the seasons, it rules the realm of visible objects and is the reason of everything the prisoners see. And remembering his life in the cavern, remembering what he thought he knew there and his captivity comrades he would feel happy for being free and would feel sorry them; prisoner’s life would seem unbearable for him. But in spite of it and in spite of the dangers, his clumsiness and the prisoner’s laughs and scorns, he would return to the underground world to free them.
            These are the keys Plato gives us to read the myth: we should compare the shadows of the cavern with the sensible world and the light of the fire with the power of the Sun. The escape to the outer world to contemplate real beings (metaphor of the World of the Ideas) should be compared with the path our souls take towards the intelligible world. Plato declares the most difficult and the last object we reach is the Idea of Rightness (symbolized by the metaphor of the Sun, the last object the released prisoner sees), which is the reason of all the good and beautiful things of the world; it is also the reason of the light and the Sun in the sensible and visible world and the reason of truth and understanding in the intelligible world; is the reality we need see to live with wisdom.  

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    Agheart

  • he just likes to complain about any and everything and thats it, and 85% of the time has no idea what hes talking about

    farmersfight08

  • Agheart said...

            Plato argues a liberated prisoner would slowly discover different levels of authentic reality: first he would see the objects and the light inside the cavern, later he would come out of it and see first the shades of the objects, then the reflections of those objects on the water and finally the real objects. At last he would see the Sun and conclude it is the reason of the seasons, it rules the realm of visible objects and is the reason of everything the prisoners see. And remembering his life in the cavern, remembering what he thought he knew there and his captivity comrades he would feel happy for being free and would feel sorry them; prisoner’s life would seem unbearable for him. But in spite of it and in spite of the dangers, his clumsiness and the prisoner’s laughs and scorns, he would return to the underground world to free them.
            These are the keys Plato gives us to read the myth: we should compare the shadows of the cavern with the sensible world and the light of the fire with the power of the Sun. The escape to the outer world to contemplate real beings (metaphor of the World of the Ideas) should be compared with the path our souls take towards the intelligible world. Plato declares the most difficult and the last object we reach is the Idea of Rightness (symbolized by the metaphor of the Sun, the last object the released prisoner sees), which is the reason of all the good and beautiful things of the world; it is also the reason of the light and the Sun in the sensible and visible world and the reason of truth and understanding in the intelligible world; is the reality we need see to live with wisdom.  

    +1 for the allegory of the cave reference.

    And as for Benny bashing us slow white kids, well, a little extra motivation never hurt. ;)

    GigEmJay85

  • Im alitlle worried about receiver honestly. I wouldnt worry about defense because i see us taking atleast 5 JUCO players on defense

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  • Bennyboy said...

    It’s obvious this staff doesn’t know their a$$holes from the ground when it comes to defensive recruiting. the blatant carelessness of handling of who we've offered and who we haven't offered (and the timing of each) on that side of the ball is flabbergasting.

    Ok, so that might be a tad audacious, but hear me out.

    Is it just me or is the defensive staff setting themselves up for scapegoat termination after the ’13 season simple because they don’t have the right bodies out there nor do they seem to have a plan to get necessary quantity and more quality??

    Case in point, Sean Porter and Jon Stewart aren’t coming back next year. Chuck Thomas retired. Washington was let go to Blinn (no reason why. Huh??) We have Baggs coming back as well as Steven Jenkins in ‘13. There is a real possibility Jenkins jets if he gets a 4th or even a 5th round or better projection after next year simply because he’s a 4th year JR from the Juco ranks. That leaves you with unknown commodities like the Taylor brothers (can they even play in a 4-3?), Richmond and Shaun Ward (bust?). Then on top, we’re recruiting low ceiling, cement shoe White kids at LB & DL that NO ONE else is pushing for but yet A&M is actually PUSHING for these kids in May?!?! Position coaches aren’t signing off on offers the territory recruiters are offering. It’s the wild west and someone is going to be held very accountable in due time.

    Don't get me started on the DLine. That deserves its own thread.

    The proof is there guys. Very concerning.

    Congrats Bennyboy. You have now passed Colin as the absolute worst poster on this site or any for that matter. You have nothing positive to add about anything.

    Hoov91


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