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  • I don't mean a guy that watches it like myself, but a guy that's been trained in the offense..

    I want some goodies.. I want to hear of x's and o's terminology and why you run it. what you look for, etc.
    i haven't seen a true playbook. Every offense I have ever learned was a form of a pro style and drop back.

    I am going to put out Daddy Bear play #2.

    This is actually a play I got from Tank's playbook but Tank never ran it. This play is beautiful and I have discussed it with coaches. guaranteed to work.

    4 wides.

    2 outside receivers run deep.

    2 inside receivers run a deep out/come back to the sideline.

    here's the kicker.. the rb runs a czech route (that's pesek spelling).

    the rb runs to the outside then cuts hard to the inside.

    If the defense is in zone, they are spread out and the rb splits the defense.

    if defense in man, the mlb's knees are broken.

    if the defense is in cover 3, rb.

    if in cover 2, deep

    if in cover 4, deep outs..

    beautiful

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  • No motion?

    gandolphfitch

  • What's the benefit of the outside guys running flys? I'd rather it just be the old fashion smash play where they run hitches and the inside guys pull the safeties to the sidelines. Then the qb chooses one side of the field, reads the safety, then throws to the Y/H or the rb who's finding open space or a seem in the middle

    Obviously not a coach, just seems like you'd only be giving yourself one option with all the traffic that would be outside the numbers. Looking forward to LesAg and TmoAg's thoughts

    Edit: I misread your post. Don't know that EZ or Evans can really stretch the field vertically tho

    This post was edited by TAMUwake on 8/1/2012 at 12:34 AM

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  • this is a play i use all the damn time on NCAA football. its money. someone is ALWAYS open.

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  • Daddy98 said...

    I don't mean a guy that watches it like myself, but a guy that's been trained in the offense..

    I want some goodies.. I want to hear of x's and o's terminology and why you run it. what you look for, etc.
    i haven't seen a true playbook. Every offense I have ever learned was a form of a pro style and drop back.

    I am going to put out Daddy Bear play #2.

    This is actually a play I got from Tank's playbook but Tank never ran it. This play is beautiful and I have discussed it with coaches. guaranteed to work.

    4 wides.

    2 outside receivers run deep.

    2 inside receivers run a deep out/come back to the sideline.

    here's the kicker.. the rb runs a czech route (that's pesek spelling).

    the rb runs to the outside then cuts hard to the inside.

    If the defense is in zone, they are spread out and the rb splits the defense.

    if defense in man, the mlb's knees are broken.

    if the defense is in cover 3, rb.

    if in cover 2, deep

    if in cover 4, deep outs..

    beautiful

    The key to the spread passing game is getting into the right play. For a young qb this means getting everyone back to the line quickly so there is enough play clock left to get read on what coverage they are running. Then get the play changed to fit the coverage. Most plays in this offense are designed to pick on one particular defender. For example if they are in base cover 3. Corners are deep 3rd safety deep third olb. A common theme vs. cover 3 will be sending one more route into the deep safetys 1/3rd of the field. if receivers have route discipline, awareness, and keep spacing right. The safety can't play both of them and one is open. it's not always the safety. But it is always someone who has more than they can cover when offense can get an accurate pre snap read. The biggest advantage for a qb, Is simple reads. U know who each play is designed to pick on. And most of Ur primary and secondary reads are right there. If he jumps one, you throw the other.

    QB97

  • We need to pull some plays out of NFL Blitz 2000. That's what Zac Taylor wanted to do

    shermanager11

  • Somebody posted an article that discussed the history of the air raid and went through the plays and the scheme changes that the different coaches have come up with. Can't remember what the website was, college football talk or something. I have it as a bookmark on my laptop at home. I can post it after work.

    I too plan to get studied up on the air raid before the season starts.

    Maybe posting's just not your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.

    Girth Brooks

  • Only problem I can see with your play Daddy is it leaves the quarterback without a quick read option. He'd be waiting an awful long time for all of those routes. You could run a slant with the short side receiver (or the side the QB doesn't throw to as well) and send the running back into the flats. That would keep your spacing and the deep read on one side of the field, but give you an underneath option right away as well.

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  • shermanager11 said...

    We need to pull some plays out of NFL Blitz 2000. That's what Zac Taylor wanted to do

    You only needed one play on that game, the quick pitch was absolutely unstoppable.

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  • Aubrey Bloom said...

    Only problem I can see with your play Daddy is it leaves the quarterback without a quick read option. He'd be waiting an awful long time for all of those routes. You could run a slant with the short side receiver (or the side the QB doesn't throw to as well) and send the running back into the flats. That would keep your spacing and the deep read on one side of the field, but give you an underneath option right away as well.

    This is what I always did in NCAA.

    Ran that play and called hot route slant for short field slot and left the RB in to pick up the blitz.

    Maybe posting's just not your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.

    Girth Brooks

  • I'm not sure Daddy was completely serious about that play, just fishin' for comments?

    gandolphfitch

  • Aubrey Bloom said...

    Only problem I can see with your play Daddy is it leaves the quarterback without a quick read option.

    Think the Rb becomes the hot read in D98's play; he runs to the flats if the linebacker is under pursuing, and cuts back in if the d is in zone or the LB is over pursuing. Seems very early-Leach

    TAMUwake

  • He's the under read, but a check route would leave all five receivers with their backs to the quarterback for at least six or seven steps.

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  • Aubrey Bloom said...

    You only needed one play on that game, the quick pitch was absolutely unstoppable.

    Pitch-pass was deadly. Also, if you just want to score a stupid amount of points, keep doing Da-Bomb. Computer never caught on.

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  • Girth Brooks said...

    Somebody posted an article that discussed the history of the air raid and went through the plays and the scheme changes that the different coaches have come up with. Can't remember what the website was, college football talk or something. I have it as a bookmark on my laptop at home. I can post it after work.

    I too plan to get studied up on the air raid before the season starts.

    smartfootball.com

    The Air Raid Offense: History, Evolution, Weirdness – From Mumme to Leach to Franklin to Holgorsen and Beyond | Smart Football

    The personal story of the rise and development of the Air Raid offense, the story of the men who developed and mastered it -- its originators, Hal Mumme and

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  • aggiechip22 said...

    smartfootball.com

    Yep. That's the one. Helluva read if you have the time.

    Maybe posting's just not your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.

    Girth Brooks

  • I just noticed this thread. I've been trying to see more UH games from last year so I can see hoe their offense compares to West Virginia. My HS coaches went to WVU and learned aspects of their offense so that's what I know the best along with some of Urban Meyer's spread option.

    Something that I've seen some of that is an interesting wrinkle is combining a typical spread play like mesh, four verts, or stick with a tunnel screen called on the back side. It puts the defense in a tough spot because the defense still wants to rush the passer like a typical pass play but can't get too upfield cause of the screen.

    The most important thing with this offense is that it puts the defense in spots where no matter how they react to a play, they are wrong. Like with the packaged plays I talked about on the last thread like this where you have a quick stick route dialed up with a draw play too where the backer over the Y is the read.

    When this offense is executed correctly with a QB that makes good decisions it is so hard to stop. With the athletes we have it can be special.

    The O-Line talent we have too is what makes it even more unique. Leach had big guys that weren't very good. WVU's guys are just okay. We have two first rounders at tackle and another NFL guy at center. Ced could be a first or second round guy when he ends up back at tackle.

    The o-line combined with the backs make the run more of a threat that has to be respected. I think we will see more running than we expect because of the number of 5 and 6 man boxes we will see and the fact our offensive line can win those one on one situations the vast majority of the time.

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  • QB97 said...

    The key to the spread passing game is getting into the right play. For a young qb this means getting everyone back to the line quickly so there is enough play clock left to get read on what coverage they are running. Then get the play changed to fit the coverage. Most plays in this offense are designed to pick on one particular defender. For example if they are in base cover 3. Corners are deep 3rd safety deep third olb. A common theme vs. cover 3 will be sending one more route into the deep safetys 1/3rd of the field. if receivers have route discipline, awareness, and keep spacing right. The safety can't play both of them and one is open. it's not always the safety. But it is always someone who has more than they can cover when offense can get an accurate pre snap read. The biggest advantage for a qb, Is simple reads. U know who each play is designed to pick on. And most of Ur primary and secondary reads are right there. If he jumps one, you throw the other.

    This guy has it. It's simple. Nothing complicated. The WRs know if the guy in front of me does this, i do this. The QB knows who he is looking at and what to do based on one guys actions on the defense. It isn't the complicated progression that Tannehill had to make last year. When this offense is humming its awesome to watch. Showers shouldn't hold the ball longer than three seconds and our oline can keep him clean in that situation. Plus defense lines will get worn out which only makes things easier.

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  • for the NCAA gamers. Stick with the successful play series that work in real life. I would recommend the "shallow cross series". The player running the shallow cross runs the heels of the dline the player running the complimentary dig route always releases outside to keep the LB from turning into the shallow cross. at 10 yards vs any zone he runs a hunt route and settles into the 1st Open hole. Vs man he runs a dig If the man over him blitzes he runs a hot route usually an out Versus man or press. will almost always hit the shallow cross. Qb 3 step drop. there is a series of variations of the shallow cross game. it was made famous by mike shannahan. And has been perfected by air raid coaches since. Mix it with the screen series and it will comprise most of your ball control and short passing game. If u ever need plays. I still have a few of my spread playbooks around. with coaching points and player assignments, reads vs. diff. coverages. and even the spread runnIng game concepts an blocking schemes.

    QB97

  • QB97 said...

    for the NCAA gamers. Stick with the successful play series that work in real life. I would recommend the "shallow cross series". The player running the shallow cross runs the heels of the dline the player running the complimentary dig route always releases outside to keep the LB from turning into the shallow cross. at 10 yards vs any zone he runs a hunt route and settles into the 1st Open hole. Vs man he runs a dig If the man over him blitzes he runs a hot route usually an out Versus man or press. will almost always hit the shallow cross. Qb 3 step drop. there is a series of variations of the shallow cross game. it was made famous by mike shannahan. And has been perfected by air raid coaches since. Mix it with the screen series and it will comprise most of your ball control and short passing game. If u ever need plays. I still have a few of my spread playbooks around. with coaching points and player assignments, reads vs. diff. coverages. and even the spread runnIng game concepts an blocking schemes.

    The thing I like about Sumlin's offense and the other newer iterations of the air raid is the fact that the offense takes shots down the field. When Leach was at Tech his offense wasn't really ever looking for the downfield pass. Lots of mesh, shallow crosses, and stick plays. With guys like Holgersen and Sumlin, they not only stretch the field horizontally with formation, but attack the seams they create with vertical routes.

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  • Daddy,

    Mike Leach is the architect of that play.

    Wild Turkey

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  • 512ag said...

    I just noticed this thread. I've been trying to see more UH games from last year so I can see hoe their offense compares to West Virginia. My HS coaches went to WVU and learned aspects of their offense so that's what I know the best along with some of Urban Meyer's spread option.

    Something that I've seen some of that is an interesting wrinkle is combining a typical spread play like mesh, four verts, or stick with a tunnel screen called on the back side. It puts the defense in a tough spot because the defense still wants to rush the passer like a typical pass play but can't get too upfield cause of the screen.

    The most important thing with this offense is that it puts the defense in spots where no matter how they react to a play, they are wrong. Like with the packaged plays I talked about on the last thread like this where you have a quick stick route dialed up with a draw play too where the backer over the Y is the read.

    When this offense is executed correctly with a QB that makes good decisions it is so hard to stop. With the athletes we have it can be special.

    The O-Line talent we have too is what makes it even more unique. Leach had big guys that weren't very good. WVU's guys are just okay. We have two first rounders at tackle and another NFL guy at center. Ced could be a first or second round guy when he ends up back at tackle.

    The o-line combined with the backs make the run more of a threat that has to be respected. I think we will see more running than we expect because of the number of 5 and 6 man boxes we will see and the fact our offensive line can win those one on one situations the vast majority of the time.

    I also feel this is a very overlooked aspect of this offense, the "air-raid" part gets all the conversation but with an o-line like ours and with the backs we have this should be a dynamic rushing attack against a spread out defense. The tempo of the offense tires out d-linemen and makes those blocks easier as the game wears on. I just hope our coaches and the QB will not get pass happy and fail to emphasize the run...

    jwalkerf