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  • 0311 said...

    Holy crap how many times do we have to go over this? Hamm has CONFIRMED with out a doubt that we are taking 31. 25 for 2013 and SIX early enrolls that will count against 2012 which falls under B12 rules. next year it will be 28. this year and this year only its 31.

    Sorry new to the board here and I havent seen this confirmed anywhere else.
    Is there a way to dig that thread up?

    Hope its true because we definitely need the room.

    Bob_Ag

  • ChallengerAg said...

    But only 25 in 2014 right? We can't count back 3 and take 28 in 2014 even with EE's because we will be taking a full class this year

    That is the way I understand it, even if we have failures to qualify. If they sign a LOI, then they count.

    Bob_Ag

  • The first SEC signin limit rule a few years ago stated you could sign 28 max. The updates rule says there is a hard limit of 25 per class and early enrollees can count back to fill in the previous class up to 25 guys and there is no limit on how many early enrollees you can have as long as it doesn't put the previous class over 25. The rules don't mention transfers from other D 1 programs so Williams and Carson do not count in those numbers either.

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  • Bob_Ag said...

    That is the way I understand it, even if we have failures to qualify. If they sign a LOI, then they count.

    If we take 31 this year, we can take 25 next if year, if there's enough seniors/juniors leaving plus attrition to make those spots open.

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  • Bob_Ag said...

    I'm not so sure about that guys. The sec rule clearly states that 28 is the max you can sign with three counting back given that previous class was at least three under 25. Unless they are making an exception because it was a big12 class last year, then I would assume 28. Plus, to get 31 would require some heavy attrition.

    I'll assume we have six spots left (not counting griffin):

    Samples Prevot Washington Flowers/longino Zimmerman St john

    Where does it "clearly" say that?

    Aggie86

  • So if Ray doesn't get it, can we take 32 then? He wouldn't count towards Big 12 numbers.

    Aggie86

  • thaeutychus said...

    The first SEC signin limit rule a few years ago stated you could sign 28 max. The updates rule says there is a hard limit of 25 per class and early enrollees can count back to fill in the previous class up to 25 guys and there is no limit on how many early enrollees you can have as long as it doesn't put the previous class over 25. The rules don't mention transfers from other D 1 programs so Williams and Carson do not count in those numbers either.

    See, this is how I always interpreted it.

    Aggie86

  • it doesnt matter what the SEC rule says. if they are an early enrollee then they fall under B12 rules. PERIOD. the fact that this has yet to be grasped by some is alarming.

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  • Aggie86 said...

    Where does it "clearly" say that?

    Sorry, I was stuck on the old rules. Aggie86 has it right.

    There is a strict cap of 25 per year, but there seems to be no rules on how many can back count on a previous class.

    Actually, to clarify, there is a rule. If a recruit fails to qualify, he still counts towards that class.
    So in the case of Ed Ray, he would still count and our 2012 class is still at 19 LOIs.

    Bob_Ag

  • 0311 said...

    it doesnt matter what the SEC rule says. if they are an early enrollee then they fall under B12 rules. PERIOD. the fact that this has yet to be grasped by some is alarming.

    Actually, you have interpreted this wrong.
    We are an SEC member and the 2013 class has to abide by SEC bylaws.
    The fact that last years class we were in the big12 is irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

    We can back count six schollies for this class, but that is in accordance with SEC rules, not Big12. There is no Big12 rule on oversigning that I am aware of...so if what you are saying is true, then we could sign 6, 10, 12 early enrollees and back count to last years class, but we cant. Why? Because we must abide by SEC rules which states you can only sign 25 PER CLASS. Meaning, we can sign 25 this year. Then we can attribute 6 scholarships to last years class. If we go over 31, then that means we go over the 25 limit for the 2013 class.

    Big12 rules are not at play here.

    Bob_Ag

  • 0311 said...

    it doesnt matter what the SEC rule says. if they are an early enrollee then they fall under B12 rules. PERIOD. the fact that this has yet to be grasped by some is alarming.

    But again, that doesn't matter whether it's Big 12 or SEC. There is no SEC rule saying you can only have 3 maximum back counting. The SEC rule simply says 25 per year, hard count. We took 19 in 2012, and thus could still take 6 more. Doesn't matter if we were in our 10th year in the SEC, that would be the same.

    Aggie86

  • Bob_Ag said...

    Sorry, I was stuck on the old rules. Aggie86 has it right.

    There is a strict cap of 25 per year, but there seems to be no rules on how many can back count on a previous class.

    Actually, to clarify, there is a rule. If a recruit fails to qualify, he still counts towards that class. So in the case of Ed Ray, he would still count and our 2012 class is still at 19 LOIs.

    But Ray signed under Big 12 rules, where he wouldn't count. That's the only confusion I have.

    Aggie86

  • 31 one is already a huge class. Lets all just assume that's the max we can take and forget about it. We've never had a class that big and we probably wouldn't be able to find more than 6 midterm enrollees even if we could take more.

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  • Aggie86 said...

    But Ray signed under Big 12 rules, where he wouldn't count. That's the only confusion I have.

    Yes but you have to look at things in accordance with the rules for 2013 class.

    25 is a hard cap right? You can back count to the last class 25 - # of LOIs (19) = 6.

    Big12 rules aren't even up for discussion because we are talking about obliging the current SEC rules. The SEC states that failures to qualify will still count.

    An update on over-signing and 'back-counting' (don't use that word) | Georgia Bulldogs blog | Columbus Ledger Enquirer

    So far, it seems the new SEC signing limit of 25, with minor stipulations around early enrollments, is having the intended effect.

    www.ledger-enquirer.com

    Bob_Ag

  • thaeutychus said...

    31 one is already a huge class. Lets all just assume that's the max we can take and forget about it. We've never had a class that big and we probably wouldn't be able to find more than 6 midterm enrollees even if we could take more.

    I agree 31 is huge and would be hard to pull off, but I think we could actually get 6 midterms.

    I believe Sezer, Points, Wade, and one more are already planning on midterming. JUCO flowers is a midterm as well if we get him.

    The bigger obstacle IMO is the 85 man limit. That is going to require heavy attrition to get 31.

    Bob_Ag

  • thaeutychus said...

    31 one is already a huge class. Lets all just assume that's the max we can take and forget about it. We've never had a class that big and we probably wouldn't be able to find more than 6 midterm enrollees even if we could take more.

    I don't know about that. We already have what, 3 or 4? Add a couple of JUCOs and I can definitely see getting up to 6.

    Aggie86

  • I'm not concerned with the 85 in the least. That always works out, especially under new coaching staffs. We have only 78 or 79 ships currently, with 16 seniors. That already gives us about 23 to 24. Normal attrition is 4-5 per year putting us up to 28 or more. Under the first year of a coaching change, there is normally more attrition. We can take 31 and fit them in pretty easily IMO.

    Aggie86

  • Aggie86 said...

    So if Ray doesn't get it, can we take 32 then? He wouldn't count towards Big 12 numbers.

    Ray still counts. It's essentially a wasted spot. If you have a LOI, it counts towards the limit for that year whether the guy sets foot on campus or not. He doesn't count against the 85 NCAA limit however.

    Make me wonder when we tell Gibson, Davis, & Griffin that they no longer have an offer. I'm guessing once the fall semester starts we'll have a better idea if they will be eligible.

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  • Everyone keeps saying we can have up to 6 early enrollees based on last year only taking 19 LOI's. Didn't 2012's class include 3 early enrollees (Davis, Pope & Jacobs) that would count against the 2011 class (22 LOI's that year)?

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  • Victor Davis? How big of a risk is he? I thought he'd be fine.

    Aggie86

  • EE/JUCO:
    Toby (DT)
    Flowers (LB)
    Brown (OL)

    That makes 6 EE's w/ Points, Wade, and Sezer.

    Then there's 5 ships left for:

    Samples
    Prevot
    Savage
    Mitchell/Manning
    Abbington

    I think we get either Mitchell/Manning but not both.

    If we don't get Mitchell OR Manning, OR we lost Griffin, we'll pull in Luper (assuming no RSJ). If Davis is a strong enough grade risk, we'll also get Washington.

    This post was edited by aggie2012thman on 7/4/2012 at 7:57 PM

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