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Sad to see how many lives that program ruins.

From 2008-2012 (last five classes):

Texas signed 115 players on signing day.
Texas A&M - 117

By all accounts A&M will have a larger class this cycle so the gap will increase.

So would you say that A&M ruins more lives than Texas?

Again, signing players over a 5 year cycle has nothing to do with how many players have left over the past year. You have almost lost a whole recruiting class in 12 months.

And even then, we will MAYBE hit 20 recruits this year.

Yes, players transfer from our school. It is not at a higher rate than most any other major program in the nation. And as ebo said, "numbers will be higher" after a coaching change. That's what you are seeing over the past year.

Don't buy the 20 recruits thing. I bet they go over with late additions. Personal opinion so well see.

This is a fine explanation. I just can't stand statistics being misused on the internet. We perceive the transfers over the last year as a bad thing. 14 talented kids that got screwed (by themselves or coaches it doesn't matter). We could have used a few of them...

I understand where you are coming from. The main reason I ever post over here is when I feel incorrect facts are being said about my university, like cam's "ruined lives" comment. It's fine if you hate us, as most of us hate y'all. It's how college football works. I'd just prefer the hatred to stem from true statements (we can be snobby, our recruiting from 2006-2009 was a joke, 2010 Murderer's row, etc.) and not exaggerations stemming from the hatred. Yes, we've had a lot of transfers recently. That is abnormal for a Mack Brown run program, and the data shows that with the exception of the last year (the only year he has had to deal with extensive coaching turnover) we lose players to transfer less than most any other national power.

(On another note: Mack's "commitment percentage" is probably the stupidest thing he's ever bragged about. Luckily, we slowly seem to be going away from that line of thinking. We currently have 11 offers out to uncommitted prospects, and I don't know if we are the favorite for any of them. But yes, that is fair game and I would honestly expect you guys to mock him for that. It's just dumb.)

It really doesn't take a genius to figure out that a highly recruited kid that gets beaten out by other highly recruited kids and will not be getting playing time is going to seek out other opportunities. So they transfer. Not a single one of those kids were told to leave they made a choice to leave so they would see the field.

Please tell me where I am wrong.

I think the whole argument isn't about the number of people signed on NSD like you posted, but simply the number of highly rated players that are no longer with the team and have left within the last year. I don't see how you can argue that the number is quite large, even with the coaching overhaul.

While I say this, I do not know the numbers on A&M's number that has left the program, but would be interesting to look at and would be willing to doubt that number is significantly less with just as many variables changing coaching wise.

I think "lives" is a bit over-dramatic. They ruin the hell out of some football careers though.

I do not have the time nor desire to google every transfer for every school in the country. But I can quickly verify my initial claim that we sign less than the majority of college football's national powers:

Players signed during the 2008-2012 time frame:
Texas - 115
Texas A&M - 117
Alabama - 135
Auburn - 134
LSU - 125
Oregon - 116
OU - 116
Michigan - 118
FSU - 126
Miami - 134
South Carolina - 132
UNC - 114

There very well could be more, but these were the ones that came to mind first. And for those of you who will say that signing day numbers mean nothing regarding transfers, where do the scholarships come from then? Oh and many, many, MANY more articles have been written about the SEC transfer/oversigning situation than that of Texas. I'm assuming that you read more Aggie/anti-UT articles than those elsewhere in the country, so it naturally would seem like we are such terrible offenders.

And yes, we sign a lot of highly rated players. There is simply not enough room for all of them to play. So obviously it will make news when a high 4* player transfers. However, isn't that expected when most of the recruiting class consists of high 4* players? (P.S. I thought all of our recruits were overrated? )

You didnt answer my question. You deflected it as I expected.

I asked which school has had as many transfers in that time period we have been discussing this WHOLE time.